*sigh* not being able to edit that is going to kill my OCD...

Not alot of D2 chatter going on...seems like there was more on D1.

The fact that the last post we got from Freddeh was on 2/14 really worries me.

Right now, my vote is clearly on him.

Either, he's scum, and staying away for some scummy reasons, or, he's town, and is just not helping at all.

I had voted for Shock. Based on posts, I think it's slightly more likely that Shock is scum, but, he's at least posting. It's hard to get any read on someone who's only posted 4 times.

So - while the posts seem to point more at Shock, I'm still a bit snake-bitten from last game, and am really worried about the lack of posts from Freddeh.

There might be some others that I'm looking at, but, as of now, I've no plans to change unless more information comes to light.

1) We lynch Freddeh, and he's scum, great!
2) We lynch Freddeh and he's town, we don't really get any info, but we don't really lose much either, as he's not been active at all.
3) We lynch Shock, and he's scum, great!
4) We lynch Shock and he's town, we get more info then from a Freddeh lynch (since there's been more discussion around Shock), but, we lose a (somewhat) active player.

Options 1 and 3 are pretty much the same, although, getting rid of an active scum player is a bit better, since they could be trying to confuse us.
Option 2 is much better than option 4, since we don't actually lose anything with option 2, and we lose an (again, somewhat at this point) active player.

This is where I would normally do a breakdown of each player, but, so little has happened so far in D2, there's really not too much more to add.

OK - maybe one...

CK - you posted here that you think Fel is scum. Yet, you are voting for Shock? Based on what you wrote, I'm inferring that you think either could be scum, but are leaning more towards Fel, yet you are voting for Shock. Can you explain a bit more? Also - any thoughts on Freddeh? One of the things you said was about Shock neglecting this game, but Freddeh is even more guilty of that, yet he's not mentioned?

Let's keep the chatter going all....we'll need more to be able to look back at later in the game!

I voted for shock to apply pressure. You can pressure people who you know are intentionally neglecting a game. People like Fred, who are just MIA, are a different matter. My votes still on Shock simply because I haven't moved it yet. But I'm not interested in voting every Tom, Dick, and Harry that isn't posting.

It does kinda suck that we're down to evaluating posting presence over anything else. We still have days until the end of this "day" though.

Sorry guys, I'm not paying enough attention to this game to continue with it, I'll try to catch back up, but it would be best for everyone if I replaced out if there is someone waiting in the wings.

If thats not possible, then I'll try to at least be more proactive.

Do we have someone waiting as an alternate? I'd prefer that over either an inactive player or a mod-kill.

Now that that's settled, I'd like to hear from fel about my most recent point involving his contradictive views from yesterday and today.

Can I pley in dis gaem.

@Cereal_Killer

You asked me what has changed my views from yesterday regarding Shock. The answer is very clear: his actions, or better saying, his lack of actions in the game since early day 1. What it's even worse is the fact that he was called on day 1 by both Elijin and Garren:



And was again called multiple times by myself, Neo and even you on day 2. And what did we get from him? A single post promising answers that never came. Everyone wants to hear from him, yet he remains silent. To further my cause, it's a rare day that I don't see him online and posting here in the forum. It's clear by this point that Scumwave07 is avoiding this game, hoping to take the heat of his back if he lays low enough.

And before anyone asks, yes, there's a difference between him and Freddeh. Freddeh has been fairly inactive since the beginning of the game, while Scumwave07 became a ninja only after the hot topic went from him to Alt.

I dont know if you're allowed to bring stuff like this up, but Shockwave also implied that viewing peoples online presence outside of the game and then letting it affect your decision in game is supposedly a nono with many moderators of mafia games.

I dont know if he was just trying to be helpful with avoiding modkills, but man. Within the context of it being him who is having his activity called into question, trying to immediately quell it with rules which havent been established? Pretty suspicious.

@fel, That information you quoted at the reasoning you're providing isnt new information. You were asked why your opinion has changed in the last few days, and your answered by quoting stuff that happened last week. You're either way behind the game, or that was a terrible answer since why did it change your opinion now, instead of back when it happened? Plus Im not a fan of people making up names with which lead to roles, like Scumwave07. Makes it seem like you're trying to market that we should think he's scum, instead of sell it.

Bit of conflicting info there since they both come of as unusual in their behaviour, yet fel is against shock. Though its not unheard of for two mafia to come under suspicion and have one simply throw the other under the bus in order to avert eyes.

Also I didnt want to be the one to say this, since everyone will immediately go 'Fishing for roles, scum!', but are we really saying that not a single person wants to bring information they gained during the evening to the table? I mean I guess any investigative roles could have come up all town/babyface and not be worth commenting. But man, a night passed and we got no reliable information.

Fishing for roles, scum!

Well, we know that someone was successful, since the Dr stopped the night kill. So, someone out there knows, at the least, that someone else is not scum, since they prevented that kill.

But, at this point, having the Dr out themselves would be a really, really bad idea, since they would get killed right away.

If Freddeh gets replaced, I expect my vote will switch to Shock, since he seems the most likely suspect.

Thats why I said investigative roles, and didnt mention the doctor. I dont see a possible benefit for a doctor revealing themselves unless its a final day clutch moment.

I am not too sure it is (maybe Scarlet can say something about it.). However, even if we discard the point about his activity outside this thread, it remains that he hasn't really posted anything. Him having activity outside the thread seems to imply he is avoiding the thread on purpose. He still haven't said anything and I am still waiting.

Maybe silly can replace freddeh?

Good players usually didn't have an issue with that. Invisible mode started due to something far more nefarious, players claiming other players were scum because they happened to be online when the mod ended night, as they took it as a sign that that player had sent in the mafia night kill finally and nothing else was stopping night from ending (as deadlines were not strictly enforced in the early early days, more of a manner of when things where done the next cycle would begin).

On the overall picture, the bigger fopa would be on the Mod for trying to dictate how the players of his game are allowed to scum hunt.

Back to the game at hand though,

Fel I find it very odd that you didn't simply point to the last thing you said about Shock yesterday. Here it is for reference,



It should be noted that despite your previous assertion that we should be voting goblin at all times, you state that the absolute neutrality of Shock's move is the reason he's the best lynch candidate. Then you like his point on Confused but proceed to call both goblin leans. It should also be noted that the post I just quoted was made before both Eli and Garren's posts. So clearly they weren't what changed your mindset and given your post references Shock's last post (which happened not even two days before this post) before this one, one can hardly say Shock being absent from discussion is the reason either.

So I'm going to ask again, what shifted your view on Shock?

@C_K

That wasn't the turning point of my opinion about Shock. If you read the post you quoted as a whole instead of just grabing a piece out of context, you'll notice that I dropped 2 names in that post that I thought were scum. My lean on Shock wasn't strong enough to justify saying that I thought he was Mafia. It's just that if I had to choose between him or someone who made basically just flavor posts, I thought he had more chance of being scum, even if his posts didn't tell one side or the other. The same, btw, apllied to Confused at that point. If you're really keeping track, I'll notice that, at that point, I said I had a lean to Mafia for both Shock and Confused, and they couldn't, by what I said in the post you quoted, be both Mafia. The reason for that is, in that point of time, it was just a lean, nothing that justified a vote or anything like that.

What we have now is completely different. Shock was called out multiple times and has yet to show his face. At this point, it's pretty clear that he's Mafia, and trying to divert from that like you're doing only makes you look more scum to me. In fact, I think it's time to stop walking in circles. We got an extension, but we're close to the end of the day, and discussion has been pretty moot so far. If I'm right and you're Shock's scumbuddy #1, I'm well aware that I might be doing exactly what you want, but at this point, you probably know what I'm going to say and my only hope is the doctor, so I might as well improve my chances of saving my neck. I'm also doing it because I will be out of town from tomorrow to next wednesday (03/05), with very little chances to make another post until the day's end. So, without further ado, here we go:

I'm the town cop.
My target last night was Shockwave.
Shockwave is, in fact, Mafia.

If you read this whole game again with this info, like I did, you'll notice that it was clear since the beginning. I tried to show that to everyone without exposing myself, but the lack of discussiong on day 2, C_K's attempts to distract everyone from the main point and the time constraint from my part made the decision to claim right now pretty clear. I'm giving you a name, Town. It's your choice to believe it or not.

Since there's a big chance that I wont be able to post again in day 2 and that my head will be on a plate by the start of day 3, I'll also be a nice guy and give my suspects too:

1. Shockwake07 (100% chance of being scum) - That's a given.
2. Cereal_Killer (80% chance of being scum) - C_K has sided with Scumwave since the beginning of the game. First with the whole trap thing. Then, on day 2, he made the most meaningless vote of the history of Mafia on Shock, to, as he answered to Neo, apply pressure. Even though the only person he applied pressure this whole day is me.
3. Neosilk (60% chance of being scum) - Last name was a little hard to gauge, but my thoughts on Neo are stronger than anybody else. I hated his first interactions with Scumwave back then (something on the lines of "I think he's suspicious, but don't want to lynch him and lose an experienced player") and I hate it even more now. He was also pretty quick to jump on Freddeh when things started to look awry for Shock early in day 2. Might not be enough to proclaim scum right now, but something to keep in mind as the game progresses.

That's it, guys. I'm giving you names, I'm giving you reasons, I'm even giving you my role. Do with that what you think is best for town. See you guys on wednesday (or not).

May the doctor save my neck.

V/LA until wednesday (03/05)

Well that is a hell of a claim. If we lynch Shock and he flips town, fel is clear mafia, if not, we know who the doc will be saving every night. Guess it needs to be done.

Vote: Shockwave

~SE++

Well it would be rude not to vote at this point. Shockwave was pretty much my biggest suspect at the moment anyway (along with Freddah) so yeah sure I'll take your word here. Worst case scenario we lose a townie who had contributed nothing since the start of day one - best case we will kill a scum and have a scum detector working on our side. So yeah let's make it official.

Vote: Shockwave