That's my least favorite part about mafia. You kinda need a DAY-NIGHT-DAY to get momentum swinging in town's favor.
But, what you said is also a reason why more-experienced mafia players change their style of play regardless of their roles. That way people can't meta onto them.

Okay, may I ask why?

~SE++

You may.

Your posts relating to this game have been suspiciously short.
You are trying to avoid saying something you shouldn't. You are playing too cautiously.

Yeah, figured it was that. In my defense, if you look back through both of the other games, this is just how I post, and I've been a vanilla town three games in a row now. I tend not to have grand plans that I do long winded posts about, they're usually short.

~SE++

Not bad. I was testing you.
You pass for now.

Unvote

For the record:
Claiming is fine, just don't guote stuff from the PMs

Official Vote Count:
Confused
Shockwave07

Shockwave07
rtsnme
squinty_eyes
Elijin

12 alive, 7 to lynch.
Deadline 6 days and a bunch of hours from now.

This is either very good town logic, or scum trying to deflect suspicion on another scum-buddy.
Based on what I've seen so far, it seems slightly more likely (to me) to be scumhunting.

In looking at the "lurkers in the past have been scum" and the "not posting content" ideas...the first name that jumps out to me is Freddeh.

2 posts so far, one to confirm and this:



From what I can tell from others, you (Freddeh) are experienced at this game, right? Care to share some actual D1 thoughts?


So, as I tended to do last game...

Alt - without a doubt the most active poster so far. Aside from C_K's post (quoted above) pretty much everything you are doing seems like scumhunting to me. Initial thoughts is leaning town.

Cereal_Killer - I'm guessing that you've played mafia before. You postponed answers and later agreed that mass claim would be a bad idea. Slight town lean there.

Confused - "n00b card" comment aside...you were very against the mass claim. Which I agree with. I'm all for people posting, even if others don't think you are adding content - you never know what's going to be useful later on down the line. Tough one to call here, I could see either side (town or scum)

Elijin - normally, I'm not a fan of the random roll vote, but, on D1, it can at least start up some conversations. Other than that, you've not really added anything, no reads or anything like that, just the retaliation vote on shock. Again, too early to lean either way, but...it does seem like it could be a scum move.

felbatista - you seem to be pretty cautious here, which could just be due to you being new, or being scum and not wanting to out yourself. However, since I pretty much agree with your points, I'm leaning town.

Freddeh - I posted my thoughts above. Give us some reads (yeah, I know it's D1, but we need to start somewhere).

Garren - not really enough to form an opinion on. I know you picked up my n00b card, and, for now, I'll chalk it all up to that...

rstnme - spite vote on shock, admits he's has not posted anything of substance. Again, hard to form a read this early on...

shock - second most active so far, still not sure...the mass claim could go either way, but, I just have to think that mafia wouldn't even suggest that, since it paints a target...you mention that Alt is likely the strongest player here, which, could just be a way to try and keep another mafia player alive. I'm leaning scum.

Squinty - I think I proved last game that I just can't get a read on you (of course, it was mainly about my believing you when you said you were scum). If you are scum, and want to make that claim again, I'll welcome it....

Zherog - as with SE, I've proven that my reads on you are off (based on the last game as well). However, even early on, you were more actively scumhunting....yeah, I know real life comes in from time to time, but, if you are town, since you figured out the scum last time (a day late, if I remember correctly), we're going to need your help here as well.

Right now, if you held a gun to my head and told me I had to pick the 3 people I think are most likely scum...well, I'd pick 4:
Elijin/Zherog/Shock/Freddeh

Of course, those are all still pretty much random guesses at this point. So, lets keep up the chatter and see if we can actually figure this one out.

I let the dice decide the roll in the second? active post of the game (which was rendered null anyway). Seeing as Im not a very active member of the community, even beyond the game, I had no reason to point a finger at anyone specifically. No previous game history, no friendly ribbing.

Way I approached it that early in, was that the opening of Day 1, with no information whatsoever, rolling a dice was going to give me just as accurate vote as pointing a finger. After all, that early the only people with any real information are the mafia goblins.

I've not piped in for much more than that because even though my shock vote was retaliatory, I havent seen anything much to give me reason to shift it. He's either being a very aggressive town, which this early is hard to pin since no power roles have had a chance to vet anyone, or he's a goblin aggressively stirring the pot to see who comes out confused and gets caught in the crossfire.

If I were really pressed for a judgement, I'd say (reservedly because lots of us, myself included, havent said much) that my thoughts would go towards Shock, for being so aggressive in his approach, Neo and Fel. But Neo and Fel its hard to tell whether its just a combination of trying to outgrow the newb card with a little too much vigor, and handling that passed on card, respectively. But even then, this early, they're fairly shaky views which Im not even remotely concrete on.

If it matters, this is only my second forum mafia game. I'm pretty much resigned to the idea that day 1 kills are what serve as the context for later discussion, and are generally random, which is why I immediately voted shock when he voted me for admittedly random reasons because it all seemed so... random. That could contextualize the people who are also voting shock I guess, after I voted for him.

My main point is, in my one previous game, two of the least active people were scum. By not actively posting, and not making reads, even early on, it makes it much harder to figure out who's scum later. So, I'd like to press people to start making reads and posting their thoughts early, so that we can figure out who's scum in later days. From what I've seen (again, limited to one game) mafia tends to not post, as it's easier to catch them the more they post.

So, I'm just asking people to stay active, give reads and such, even early on, when there's not much info at all, so we can have more info later on in the game.

@Elijin - see, even though you named me, it's still helpful, overall. Have any specific reasons? Or anything for Fel, other then gut feelings? I get why you, and others, are thinking Shock, as I said, I can see both sides, and, if we get closer to night, and no one seems more scummy, you can bet I'll jump on that wagon. Since we still have 6 days or so, there's no rush (something I didn't get last game - the longer we talk now, the more info we have later).

(underlining mine)

Yes, but only after Van bought a mod bullet. Once that happened, I did manage to find the other two by looking back through conversations. But without that mod bullet, the game would've ended that night.

Fortunately, we still have over half the day left. I hate going to deadline (and it ruined us last game, because we ended in no-lynch way too much), but I do need more time to start getting reads.

Sorry, been out all day. Now that the random votes have generated the conversation the will for Day 1, I'm removing mine.

Unvote

As far as reads go, a lot of my thoughts have coincided with what others have said about the mass whatever-it-was-called. It's incredibly hard to tell if it was a trap or if it was to lure out people to say it's a good thing, but I will say that I'm quite glad the power roles didn't reveal themselves.

@to whoever is the doctor (if we have one) - focus on the most active players, in both games I've seen the players with the least experience seem to make it to the end because the mafia wants them gone, so whoever it is, try and pick out the stronger players and focus on them, because mafia will probably be targeting them tonight.

~SE++

Im going to pick on your wording here Neo.
Is there a reason we should see you as beyond suspicion? Because a big part of me feeling off about you, is that you've gone from a newb in previous games, to taking on somewhat of a guide role this match. Im not going to say anything for sure on that, because it could be that you're dropping the newb card and trying to step up and show you're competent now. However...this game is filled with new players, and a mafia who makes himself seem like he's taking charge and too valuable for the town to dispose of, is a pretty safe spot when all the new towns are looking towards players who seem to know what they're doing.

Also I was looking at fel because of how quickly he stepped up to defend shock, and did so by referencing that canning shock didnt go so great previously. Which is a good way to shift peoples focus to older games, and make them second guess themselves while they're caught up in previous plays. But that is a stab in the dark, he hasnt done much since that initial comment to garner negative attention.

I'm gonna post my top suspects for mafia according to what I suggested when I played last (top three picks). I'm not going to post my reasons why, as that will give them the chance to defend themselves (if they feel that they need to) without me feeding them the answers.
So, here are my top suspects for mafia (in order):

1) rstnme (Suspicious behavior)

2) Confused (Suspicious, but not obvious, behavior)

3) Shockwave07 (I'm doubtful, but he's on here)

==xx==

Some of them, the reasons will be more obvious than others, but as a whole... those are my top suspects.
What do you (not on the list) guys think?
-AND-
What do you (on the list) guys say to defend yourselves?

Absolutely not! No one is beyond suspicion in this game! Maybe I am trying to hard to redeem myself from the last game. And, as this is only my 2nd game, I'm surely not too valuable for the town to lynch me - I did a poor job for the town last time, and, I believe, that I learned alot, but I'm clearly still newish (if not n00bish) to this game.

Again, my main goal here is to try and keep the conversation alive - it really bothered me last game that we I didn't see the mafia's inactivity as scum behavior.

The only way you, or anyone, would know that I'm town is if you (or they) are mafia. Yes, I've got a tiny bit more experience than someone who's playing their first game, but it's minor compared to some of the other players here.

I am openly being arbitrary in response to someone openly being arbitrary. I guess if I'm lying and I'm scum and Shock isn't scum, I should be trying to get more people to vote for him, right? But I'm not. I'm saying I'm being arbitrary. I could be swayed to vote in any direction.

In the other game I played, half the scum didn't post much during the first days, and half the scum posted a bunch. That's something I'm taking into consideration.

If you care to share the reason behind your suspicion, now would be the time.

I gotta pick on this wording because somehow it sent a red flag up in my mind the moment I read it, Neo. You're the player, you'd know if you're trying extra hard, so what's with the "maybe"? It's fine to admit if you're overcompensating in gameplay, but somehow you saying you may or may not be doing that just seems shady.

~SE++

Sorry - "maybe people think I'm trying to hard to redeem myself".
What I've been (at least in my mind) trying to do is apply the ideas that I gathered later in the last game to the early game. Yeah, we don't have nearly as much to go on now as we will, but, if we don't keep the conversation going early, there won't be anything to look back on when it matters more.

I have very little control over how others see me. I'm just trying to keep posting my thoughts - if people see that as a scum move, so be it. Of course, it's not how I'm intending it to be seen.

@Zherog, if I am understanding the rules for this game, I don't think the "no-lynch" problem will happen, as it looks like whomever has the most votes at the end of the day will get lynched - so, at least we have that going for us. Pretty much every time last game that we had a day end in no-lynch, it hurt us.

I won't yet.

I'm going to let this sink in for a bit before I do. That way other people can look for it too. I won't wait until the last minute, but I want to wait at least a day. If you are innocent, time will tell.

So it's not at all suspicious you voted against squinty, and he justified it with "that's how I post," but then you switch your vote to me, and I admit to posting for pretty obvious reasons too... but not only do you keep your vote on me, you also refuse to explain yourself?

Does this strike anyone as a bluff between squinty and alt to con us into not voting for them? Is this a town tactic or a scum one?