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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 10:01 am 
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 7:24 pm 
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Hm. Well, that's pretty gg for us if Lain is adamant it's me.

@Rag:

Previous iterations of JD's Rumbles has had increasing methods by which the antagonist could subvert the linear progression of solving. Your analysis, while helpful yes, has mostly been about a wide-effect ability or singular-effect ability. You even posit to the rest of us about what other methods could exist when, given previous designs, it's hard to anticipate what the mod has designed.

To that end, perhaps Zinger was right about it being you (as opposed to me) and trusting Lain fully. I mean, he is dead after all. There's no telling exactly how results were effected until we get to see the design file.

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The votes stand 2-1, KoD over Rag. Since I have not traditionally used majority in Dethy's you have the option to end day early by unanimously deciding to do so or you may continue to talk things out until deadline.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 05, 2024 9:13 pm 
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I'm willing to end early as I don't see Lain changing thoughts on me.

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Hm. Well, that's pretty gg for us if Lain is adamant it's me.

@Rag:

Previous iterations of JD's Rumbles has had increasing methods by which the antagonist could subvert the linear progression of solving. Your analysis, while helpful yes, has mostly been about a wide-effect ability or singular-effect ability. You even posit to the rest of us about what other methods could exist when, given previous designs, it's hard to anticipate what the mod has designed.

To that end, perhaps Zinger was right about it being you (as opposed to me) and trusting Lain fully. I mean, he is dead after all. There's no telling exactly how results were effected until we get to see the design file.

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there are lots of easy to imagine mechanics that can't be modelled by either "nightwide sabotage once per game" or "single target sabotage nightly", and even the night-wide sabotage isn't ruled out becuase if it say, randomized all results, then it would still be possible. (although would be ruled out with something like a 75% chance by my results)

if the sabotage occurs when the villain is targeted or when the villain's target is targeted my model fails. if the villain has five shots that they can use freely at any time (5 in one night or 2-2-1 or whatever else) then my model fails. There are any number of things i wouldn't be able to imagine that could cause my models to fail.

Its not foolproof, its just looking at a few possible scenarios (default setup, nightwide sabotage, single-target nightly sabotage) and seeing if its possible for you/lain to be scum under them. Within those possible scenarios, its much more likely that you're scum. We can't conclude what the probability of one of those scenarios matching this game is, but we can safely say that the probability is non-zero, and so the method is useful, to some unknown degree

insofar as we can't predict the setup, there's not really any winning strategy, and so there's not much for us to do other than try to predict the setup anyways.

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After one final debate Mystery Inc decided they just needed to set a needlessly complicated trap that will ultimately fail but in doing so will actually ensnare their culprit anyway. Sure enough, hijinks ensued. No less than four pots were smashed. Seven mirrors were broken. Scoob ended up in a tutu on roller skates. Fred almost drowned in a fish tank. And Velma ended up dangling from her left ankle, holding her skirt in place.

"Get me down from here." She demanded, annoyed.

"Now Velma" Fred said, "You know this always catches the bad guy, so you have to be the bad guy."

"Rreah, rimposter." Scoob added.

"Now let's see who you really are." Fred called as he gave a firm tug on Velma's hair. It didn't budge. "That's on there pretty good."

He rugged at her ears. Pulled at her cheeks. Her face didn't budge and only grew redder with more anger. This was Velma through and through.

"Well then. I guess it was Velma all along." Fred said. "I really thought it was Old Man Mog this time." He shrugged and slapped the cuffs on the still inverted wrists of Velma Dinkley.

KoD has been arrested. He was Velma Dinkley. The culprit has been caught, the game is no longer a foot.

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I would have gotten away with it too if it weren't for you meddling kids.

And that mutt too.

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