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PostPosted: Fri Aug 16, 2024 4:20 pm 
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All kids should be granted basic respect for their identity and the right to pursue it, not just trans kids. If any child has an issue with how others refer to them, that should be a clear enough sign to stop. This clearly would benefit all children.


Alright, let's adopt the hypothetical... you are now God King of Chile.

What consequences do you propose to put on 12 or 13 year old kids? How would you enforce those consequences? (Or, I suppose I should allow that you suggest no consequences, in which case how do you trigger a change?)

Are you at all concerned about the outsized impact one child's decision, preference, nature (I leave that open to your interpretation) might have on all of the other children they interact with?

EDIT: I should mention that I have more than a few friends within the LGBTQ+ community (some of whom are quite close). They take these things seriously, and so do I. This is at the limit of how much I can discuss my personal life, because as I mentioned earlier I am not anonymous at all, so out of respect for them I'm going to avoid specifics. BUT don't make the mistake that I have no personal experience or knowledge of the community -> you would be very wrong to think that.

I will say, because we are no longer connected she and I, that a lesbian friend of mine convinced me to be pro gay marriage about 20 years ago. So I am also able to have my mind changed, when the argument has merit. I was adamantly against gay marriage until she showed me the errors of my beliefs, so it was a full reversal on my end.


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Oh gawd... I'm definitely not an expert on education, but one thing is clear: consequences are essential. I've seen far too many instances where cynical kids manipulate the system, while great kids learn that bad behaviour often goes unpunished. In most cases, it's the bullied who ends up being pushed out, and the bullies learn that they can get away with being awful as long as they don't resort to physical violence.

To truly foster a culture of respect, we need to implement clear and consistent consequences for any form of disrespect or bullying. This includes not just addressing physical aggression, but also verbal and emotional harm, I could go on actual initiatives... but I'm in the middle of something... maybe later I could add a couple ones, but dunno, Zero tolerance to disrespect, with various levels of consequences, expel being an actual one, I read about peer support, as in kids actually listen to other kids experiences, making giving victims voice and creating paths for by standers to take action.

Dunno that of the top of my head.

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Sounds to me like you are in favor of laws against free expression, as I fail to see the difference between what you just said and a law that does the same thing.

Let me ask you a follow up question: does it trouble you at all if the kids don't believe what they are saying. For example, if your consequences force them to say things they don't believe?

How would you feel if religious people required all of the children to pray, and recite things like the Lord's Prayer, even if they don't believe it?

What if the children in question were Muslim? or, like me, Atheist?

I bring this up, because there's virtually no difference.


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Bullies aren’t going anywhere. Whoever is different gets bullied. Someone who relishes in being different will be a target. My nephew decided to adopt a pronoun, no idea why. I think he went with they. He got bullied mercilessly and his mom made him change schools.

At the new school he goes by he and is tearing it up as a heartthrob, dating girls, being chased after and all that

There was some suicidal issues at that previous school too

He’s not trans or close to it. He was going through identity discovery like every single human being does around that age. Those pronouns gave him an easy out to experiment with.

I think without them, he ends up not getting bullied, not having suicidal thoughts, not changing schools.


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Respecting a kids identity is a complicated idea. My sister identified as a dog when she was ~4; she’d run around the house on all 4s barking. I don’t think my parents were Bad People for not accepting her as a dog and feeding her in dog bowls and taking her outside to **** on the lawn. My son identified as the Worlds Greatest Swordsman after watching One Piece and thinking he was hot stuff with his toy swords; I think I did the right thing in teasing and pwning him in playful sword fights and talking to him about the need to dedicate himself to practicing and putting in the work to master things he wants to be good at. Kids are all about exploring their identities; they don’t know **** and are poking at the world to see what sticks. As adults we must balance allowing this exploration and providing guidance to avoid long term harm, not blindly affirm their every whim.

And with kids experiencing gender dysphoria there is some indication most will outgrow it and just become gay adults if they aren’t started down a pathway to transition and lifelong medicalization.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25231780/

And some indication that once a kid is started down that pathway they’re less likely to desist.
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics ... redirected

We do not have a very good understanding of this larger phenomenon. I see no reason to act like this is an easy issue with obvious answers in how to best proceed for the long term health and quality of life for these kids. We may be setting up kids for a lifetime of unnecessary hardship and anguish and medical debt in our attempts to be kind and affirm them. We literally don’t know the unintended consequences of these actions.

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on a way way way less serious topic (if that's okay) I'm not sure which is more entertaining the actual car chase or the youtube chat. I was just watching a live chase in LA. Half the chat was comparing it to GTA and the other half was making fun of the driver's driving.

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on a way way way less serious topic (if that's okay)

Not ok you IDIOT

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It so funny how Timh takes his opinions seriously.

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Ohh man I havent seen the vids just a ton of memes every were.

Anyways and to put and end to this from. My part I agree with most jamerson says and to the reasonable doubt of if what is being done is correct or not, Its clear to me tho that doing nothing is negligent, and freedom of speech is not freedom of consequences, the part when all this is a matter of discussion only if trans people are involved is CURIOUS to say the least.

Anyways have a nice weekend, Cucho out.
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Oh ****. Barney is watching HBO. Must mean he's on vacation

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Oh ****. Barney is watching HBO. Must mean he's on vacation



I am! Now I gotta decide what’s next. Acolyte or Fallout.


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Ohh man I havent seen the vids just a ton of memes every were.


It’s hard to find, they keep getting copyright stricken on youtube. Might be able to find it on TikTok - I don’t have an account but my wife had found clips of it there.

It’s pretty funny. She does the Homer Simpson at one point
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I saw the replay on NBC app. It was bad. She got no votes out of 18. 2 rounds/9 judges. She hopped like a kangaroo during one round and it didn't look as cool as it sounds

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deadpoet wrote:
on a way way way less serious topic (if that's okay)

Not ok you IDIOT


dang it....I'll go back to waiting for some one to say it's okay to post nonsense again :P

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I am! Now I gotta decide what’s next. Acolyte or Fallout.


Fallout would be my suggestion

EDIT: I know i'm preaching to the choir on trump being bad for the country and world but some stuff from a NYT article entitled: Deploying on U.S. Soil: How Trump Would Use Soldiers Against Riots, Crime and Migrants
The former president’s vision of using the military to enforce the law domestically would carry profound implications for civil liberties.

full article may be pay walled https://www.nytimes.com/2024/08/17/us/p ... n-act.html but highlights:
for high lights

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Ive watched 2-3 episodes of Acolyte so far. It’s like a Kung fu movie spliced with V for Vendetta set in the Star Wars universe


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over on instagram The View co-host Anna Navarro shared the following picture

Image and her followers have added to it:

11. A movie-role from Harvey Weinstein
12. Invitation to Church from Tom Cruise
13. Dinner with Jeffrey Dahmer
14. Reverse-mortgage from Tom Selleck
15. Swimming in the Seine
16. JD Vance alone on my living room couch.

Full story https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/thi ... 41391.html

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11. A movie-role from Harvey Weinstein
12. Invitation to Church from Tom Cruise
13. Dinner with Jeffrey Dahmer
14. Reverse-mortgage from Tom Selleck
15. Swimming in the Seine
16. JD Vance alone on my living room couch.

Full story https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/thi ... 41391.html



Rick James on my couch

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