Lily, do we want to vote or not?

also, Tevish, should we vote in the other group?

I trust everyone here to vote honestly, so I'm going to say that while making an agreement for your own group makes sense, voting in the other group is outright A-okay. If this were a bigger finals with a more mixed bag I might ask participants to hold off but not here and now.

I was not going to vote on our cards

then I'll do the same.

Ooh, I got first vote. First vote!

I think splice is risky because it lets you gain infinite value while just holding a card in your hand where it can't be interacted with. The fact that it helps you gum up the board with 1/1s and also enables its own cost reduction is ringing alarm bells for me--the closest card it reminds me of is Sprout Swarm. Obviously this one is much less of a one-card combo since it needs other sorceries, but I still worry that in an optimized deck with enough Spectral Procession effects it might be a little too splashy for something your opponent can't stop you from doing (unless they're playing targeted discard). It is an interesting card to think about, though, and I do think splicing Convoke onto stuff is a cool twist.

I think Lily's card might have one too many things going on but the flavor is really fun and having a more prohibitive splice cost feels like the way to go for me. I think the other spell's effects will occur before the doubling effect of this spell, which is unfortunate since the most obvious thing to do with this is use it with burn spells.

that's fair. my reasoning was that, like you say, it doesn't really scale infinitely like Sprout Swarm does because it's gated by access to other sorceries, and while you can combine token-making sorceries and card-drawing sorceries to build an engine, there aren't really any that do both at an efficient enough level to create a truly dangerous situation. but like how Sprout Swarm needed to cost 5 for a 1/1, it's very possible I undercosted this and a splice cost would've been more appropriate. I was just comparing it to spiritual visit and felt that even in a dedicated convoke deck, +2 to the cost for every use probably balanced out the reduction from the convoke itself. (especially since it can't do instant-speed blocker things like Visit can) definitely a card that would need some pretty thorough playtesting to get the numbers right, though.

I did not realize the doubling effect would go last, that feels unintuitive. Probably would have made something different had I known

Personally, I like Raz card. The flavor is nice, gives me the image of how ants follow other ants from the scent they leave behind. I like the Convoke + Splice.

My issue with Lily's card is with its splice cost. Red isn't known for creating food tokens so it means that it has to either rely on another color or food artifacts yet its own cmc is to cast it and Splice onto red sorcery meant the deck needs to have enough red sorceries. It feels awkward imo from a deck-building perspective. (And yea, I checked the rules, the main effect will always resolve before the spliced effect.)

As a reminder, the poll is in its final hours!