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You two are both misrepresenting what was said about gerrymandering. We never said they were equal. I said they were bith forms of eliminating your opponent. If you have argument against that, present it. But stop it with the "Yeah guys these two things are totally equal" because that's NOT what was said. As we say in sports; They are in the same ballpark.


Okay, my bad then. With gerrymanding you have at least the option of going to the courts and saying "hey this is happening." and they either agreeing with you and doing something to fix it or them not. Along with other remedies that take longer such as redistricting.

A dictatorship about the only remedy you have is leaving if you can or over throwing it.

If those are in the same ball park so is simply voting your opponent out of office or legally disqualifying them.


I knew DP would show up eventually, after DJ made a post, but you're to late. The arguments over.

Edit: I forgot to add, You win.

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You two are both misrepresenting what was said about gerrymandering. We never said they were equal. I said they were bith forms of eliminating your opponent. If you have argument against that, present it. But stop it with the "Yeah guys these two things are totally equal" because that's NOT what was said. As we say in sports; They are in the same ballpark.


Okay, my bad then. With gerrymanding you have at least the option of going to the courts and saying "hey this is happening." and they either agreeing with you and doing something to fix it or them not. Along with other remedies that take longer such as redistricting.

A dictatorship about the only remedy you have is leaving if you can or over throwing it.

If those are in the same ball park so is simply voting your opponent out of office or legally disqualifying them.


I knew DP would show up eventually, after DJ made a post, but you're to late. The arguments over.

Edit: I forgot to add, You win.

But..but once I understood what you were saying I engaged on those terms, at least i thought I did. :(

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Fwiw, my disagreement was mostly with BB, so it’s weird that you (sixty) think you were even the primary target of my responses, but that is certainly my bad, because I should have just kept quoting the Russia is a democracy statement in each of my responses.

Sorry for coming across as an ****, it’s never my intent, but sometimes it happens.


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Okay, my bad then. With gerrymanding you have at least the option of going to the courts and saying "hey this is happening." and they either agreeing with you and doing something to fix it or them not. Along with other remedies that take longer such as redistricting.

A dictatorship about the only remedy you have is leaving if you can or over throwing it.

If those are in the same ball park so is simply voting your opponent out of office or legally disqualifying them.


I knew DP would show up eventually, after DJ made a post, but you're to late. The arguments over.

Edit: I forgot to add, You win.

But..but once I understood what you were saying I engaged on those terms, at least i thought I did. :(



Maybe I'm being an ass today. Maybe that's how sixty gets when people outright lie about what he said. I really did not come here to continue the debate, but to tell you two to debate better. And it's not just misrepresenting what I and BB said. It was the LOLs and eyeroll emoji after every "totally the SAME thing guys" that got under my skin.

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/same

It felt like people were intentionally misunderstanding my entire point and reducing it to a ridiculous statement



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I’d like to get back to that US volleyball player now please


Cuba destroyed US men's beach volleyball in straight sets yesterday. Pretty embarrassing.

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sixty4half wrote:
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I knew DP would show up eventually, after DJ made a post, but you're to late. The arguments over.

Edit: I forgot to add, You win.

But..but once I understood what you were saying I engaged on those terms, at least i thought I did. :(



Maybe I'm being an ass today. Maybe that's how sixty gets when people outright lie about what he said. I really did not come here to continue the debate, but to tell you two to debate better. And it's not just misrepresenting what I and BB said. It was the LOLs and eyeroll emoji after every "totally the SAME thing guys" that got under my skin.


so looking back I seemed to have jumped in at dj's quoting of bb:

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Yeah Russia isn’t a dictatorship

There are other ways to maintain power without being a dictator

And you don’t have to be an “evil” country to dabble in those “other ways”

For instance, gerrymandering is one type of activity.


I’m arguing against this.


Which is what I was responding to.

As for bb's point for all intents, just because you have claim to have free and fair elections doesn't make you not a dictatorship. For example China has elections but I'd still call them a communistic/authoritative country, North Korea also has elections (Supposedly) but you'd totally call them a dictatorship.

Unlike a dictatorship, gerrymandering has more than just two remedies.

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Venezuela would have been a better example of technically not a dictatorship copied and pasted from the Washington post

Venezuelans vote in election that could oust an autocrat


And after reading it, I'm gonna have to say that's the sort of thing some are worried about happening in the US. Trump becoming president and stacking the deck even more in his favor as it make the only way he can be ousted by an over-whelming vote against him. Trump keeps claiming he'll go along with the election if it's fair but he doesn't define what fair means.

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sixty4half wrote:
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I knew DP would show up eventually, after DJ made a post, but you're to late. The arguments over.

Edit: I forgot to add, You win.

But..but once I understood what you were saying I engaged on those terms, at least i thought I did. :(



Maybe I'm being an ass today. Maybe that's how sixty gets when people outright lie about what he said. I really did not come here to continue the debate, but to tell you two to debate better. And it's not just misrepresenting what I and BB said. It was the LOLs and eyeroll emoji after every "totally the SAME thing guys" that got under my skin.


Feel free to show me where I misrepresented the argument or outright lied about what was said.

As for me eye rolling and saying it was totally the same thing... that was NOT directed at you.


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I’d like to get back to that US volleyball player now please


Cuba destroyed US men's beach volleyball in straight sets yesterday. Pretty embarrassing.


Cuba destroyed the US on the beach during the Bay of Pigs invasion too

Their entire country is one big beach so don’t feel bad about them winning beach volleyball

Apparently Canada has a qualified surfer in the surfing event. No idea how we have that. We’re surrounded by three oceans and there’s no surfable waves anywhere.

Also the surfing event is in Tahiti!! How far is that from Paris?


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Also the surfing event is in Tahiti!! How far is that from Paris?

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Sixty talking about Rugby made me watch two Canada women’s games. Fiji and New Zealand

We barely won against Fiji but totally got destroyed by New Zealand. The thighs of some of those girls are insane. This one girl, Miller, is built like a tank. There’s just no way to tackle her, especially 7 girls. This chick could totally kick my ass

I don’t understand a single thing going on but watch Rugby 7’s is more fun than watching big teams


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Watching gymnastics now on a Canadian channel to try and get focus on my own country’s athletes, and yet even up here it’s the Simone show. Non stop coverage on her, she’s incredible. Just saw her on beam and it was nuts.

Sounds like she’s doing zero media interviews to try and not have another Tokyo meltdown

Hey I just found out next summer Olympics are in LA?! That’s gonna be cool to hear coverage from
sixty and Timh.

Like I assume they totally close the city to traffic (so many bike races through Paris, so many people, I figure they close off city to traffic anyway)

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I’m amazed at the height Simone gets. She’s only 4’8” and she can get such height in her tumbles, it’s crazy. Like a flea

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I’m glad I don’t watch the news I think cuz my social media has been blowing up for two days with stories of people offended about stuff at the Olympics but I haven’t heard or seen a thing. I’m just watching the events and it’s great


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In the Olympics or in general?


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In the Olympics or in general?

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ah crap, they electing into power some kind of extreme party or something?


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Hey DJ, i saw a cool story in the Wall Street Journal on small towns/cities in the US, and pointing out Texas in particular.

Apparently, small towns are having a huge problem attracting and affording qualified staff for public sector jobs. Boomers are retiring and they're unable to staff these positions. 2/3rds of Texas cities with 3-5k residents and all towns under 3k don't have a finance director, for example.

Cities offer more money so the talent goes there. Worse than that even, the salaries are so small that even if they attracted someone to the position, the average house price in many of these towns is 468k which is totally unaffordable for the salaries being offered.

And if you think the solution is higher salaries, the towns can't afford them.

Seems like a real problem. Here's the article but it's behind a paywall https://www.wsj.com/us-news/rural-towns ... s-ae010a72


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Interesting article. Honestly, those small rural communities will probably have to decide between raising their property taxes or having services. It might be a good lesson for communities that tend to lean heavily to the political right - some services are worth having, and having them means paying taxes. These communities probably can afford people to fill these positions, but not without upping their budgets.


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ah crap, they electing into power some kind of extreme party or something?


It's not like i didn't copy and paste a whole article :roll:


Edit: Biden has put forth his proposals to reform the Supreme Court https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-unveil ... 50960.html

1. The ‘No One Is Above the Law Amendment’

In an op-ed for the Washington Post outlining his proposals, Biden said he is proposing a constitutional amendment that “would make clear that there is no immunity for crimes a former president committed while in office.”

“I share our Founders’ belief that the president’s power is limited, not absolute,” Biden said. “We are a nation of laws — not of kings or dictators.”

The proposal comes less than a month after the Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision to grant presidents broad immunity from prosecution for crimes they commit in office — a ruling that threatened to halt the ongoing criminal cases against former President Donald Trump.

2. Term limits for justices

“We have had term limits for presidents for nearly 75 years,” Biden argued in the op-ed. “We should have the same for Supreme Court justices.”

Under the president’s proposal, a president “would appoint a justice every two years to spend 18 years in active service on the Supreme Court.”

“Term limits would help ensure that the court’s membership changes with some regularity,” Biden said. “That would make timing for court nominations more predictable and less arbitrary. It would reduce the chance that any single presidency radically alters the makeup of the court for generations to come.”

3. Code of conduct

Under Biden’s proposal, justices “would be required to disclose gifts, refrain from public political activity and recuse themselves from cases in which they or their spouses have financial or other conflicts of interest.”

Currently, all federal judges in the United States are bound by an enforceable code of conduct. But for those on the Supreme Court, the ethics code is voluntary and self-enforced. The proposal follows the revelations that Justice Clarence Thomas and his wife received hundreds of thousands of dollars in tuition and secret consulting fees from conservative billionaires and conservative judicial activists.

Having a binding ethics code for the Supreme Court, Biden said, is “common sense.”

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