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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2024 11:32 pm 
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you know...thanks to the immunity ruling...Biden couldn't be charged in anyway (I do not believe he had anything to do with it)


I don’t think that’s really true... I don’t believe assassination of political rivals falls under the “official duties” of a pres


The way SCOTUS wrote, I think you could argue it does.

The president commands the military, under the constitution. Giving the military an order would be an official act, and SCOTUS made it clear that prosecutors couldn’t even look at motive in that kind of situation.


One could argue it if he ordered a special military unit to enact it, but it would be counter argued. It’s not clear to me that it would be granted immunity. I imagine the limits will be tested at some point in the future and we’ll know more then

But in this case nobody would buy that scrawny young dood with glasses and long hair was part of seal team 6 or something

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https://twitter.com/CollinRugg/status/1 ... 2606700769

How ****ing wild would it be if this near death experience was an apostle Paul moment and Trump goes on to be a uniter and peacemaker :V

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It wouldn’t be counter argued. SCOTUS didn’t really leave much wiggle room for things like that.

As for Trump’s speech, I won’t be listening in.


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Roberts said it doesn’t grant absolute immunity and that Trump asserted a far broader immunity than the one they recognized with their ruling. He could be impeached and then tried for crime; the counter argument being presidents don’t have just authority to assassinate political rivals

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Presidential core acts… ordering the military… that’s about as core as core can core.


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(I don’t see any teleprompter - and the main video floating around pans out pretty far showing a wide angle from front of stage).

Update: I have seen the teleprompters now and I think pretty safe to rule them out since they do not appear damaged in any way
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Still happy to update my priors if more evidence emerges but don’t believe it was teleprompter glass

I just saw this image:
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Also: “11 Investigates has learned that four Pittsburgh police officers assigned to the former president’s motorcade yesterday suffered minor injuries during the shooting.
Sources tell Chief Investigator Rick Earle the officers were just feet away from Trump when shots rang out. The four officers suffered minor injuries from flying debris caused by the bullets.
Sources say the officers were hit with either plastic or metal fragments when the bullets struck objects nearby.”
https://www.yahoo.com/news/live-updates ... ccounter=1

I haven’t caught any responses yet for why he would have donated to Dems but not really be a supporter.

Update #2: I have now heard a response to this. Apparently the donation was made by a 60-something yo guy with the same name.

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My favourite meme so far is the one of Alec Baldwin smiling with a big « ALEC Wouldn’t HAVE MISSED »

Probably the most boomer thing to describe a meme instead of posting it

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So wait, is the other teleprompter image doctored? They don’t seem to match. Are teleprompters bulletproof or something? Shatter only in the back? That seeming discrepancy between the two images is odd, and likely to cause confusion.


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Imagine if only the telepromper guy saw the shooter and trump's speech went:

"President Biden is a complete failure and duck, duck, why are you not ducking idiot"

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Now he wants a full pardon for all the legal stuff hes in... Its all downhill now me thinks.

The dems swaping now is irrelevant at this stage.

At least England lost the final...
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So, I read this article the other day What Happens if the President Issues a Potentially Illegal Order to the Military? basically it comes down to "We don't know what would happen."

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I found the perfect game for bb JFK Reloaded but since it's not a mobile game i doubt he can play it so here's a video of others playing a game of Horse with it.


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Kennedy, Reagan... Trump..... America LOVES their presidents that had assassination attempts


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Kennedy, Reagan... Trump..... America LOVES their presidents that had assassination attempts


Do we though?

A lot of Americans hated Reagan, both before and after.
JFK was similarly not loved, by many, and has faced many attacks on his legacy.
And, well, Trump will surely erode whatever goodwill he currently has in the very near future.

For one thing, it is becoming evident that he was not shot, it's not confirmed yet, but I think it will be confirmed. That fact alone, wrongly or rightly, will anger many people against him. There's a huge difference between shot at, and shot, and people will make that distinction, and ask why the narrative from Trump's inner circle made false statements and claims.

For another, and this is not Trump's fault (at least not yet), Republicans are feeding each other the narrative that the shooter was a liberal, out to end Trump's candidacy. That is also proving to be likely false, but the memes are already in full force, with things like "Missed Me" on the title, and non-memes (at least that I'm seeing) with people calling Liberals outright villains. The pushback on this narrative will come, and it won't be pretty.

Also, you forgot the most important of all: Lincoln.


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ah yes, Lincoln. I was limiting it to modern history (...this is what I'm saying cuz I obviously forgot Lincoln).

I don't like JFK, Reagan OR Trump lol. From what I see of American culture (which is a lot), it seems that Reagan and JFK are both very beloved.

I hope you're bang-on and right about the backlash against Trump from his own party, but my friend Sonia wisely said, "it won't matter at all what actually happened or what the motive of the shooter was, the people that support him have already made up their mind and they aren't going to waver"

and i thought that was a bit of a bleak assessment at the time, but now I'm starting to think she may be right. I think they have tucked it away in their brains in a certain way, and it's not going to budge.


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Roberts said it doesn’t grant absolute immunity and that Trump asserted a far broader immunity than the one they recognized with their ruling. He could be impeached and then tried for crime; the counter argument being presidents don’t have just authority to assassinate political rivals

The case was also sent back to the lower courts for them to define "official acts" so who exactly knows what a POTUS can get away with?

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It goes somewhat deeper than that, IMO, BB. There's also the questions about the failures of the Secret Service. There's a huge difference, within that discussion, between Trump was shot, and Trump was hit by some debris caused by a bullet that could never have hit him directly.

I hope that's clear, it's all a bit nuanced.


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Yeah that part actually interests me lots. Did the SS mess up or was the ex-president never really in danger? After all, it’s not their job to protect the public. If 100% of rally attendees get killed but the ex-president lives, then SS did their job


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And in the news now, it sounds like the Secret Service did, in fact, **** up. So that interesting discussion is probably over. They set that building out of the boundary area, they supposedly did not check it, and it did have line of sight (note: it has been erroneously reported that the building was 500 yards away, ~500 meters, but it was more like 150 yards; that is well within range for a competent marksman). Wowza, someone is going to get in serious trouble over this.


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Odd angle, and unlikely, none the less but a possibility that shows that motive does matter;

What if this guy was recruited via internet by Iran and this was an attempt to show that Iran can take action inside the US borders? Revenge for General Solemeini?

Obviously they would only claim responsibility if it was successful and will use the confusion of a failed attempt to further propaganda in another way.

Remember this guys list of enemies is long, is both foreign and domestic, and includes quite a few billionaires and sovereign states

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