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PostPosted: Fri Jan 10, 2014 5:18 pm 
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well that didn't help.


But we got a satyr, and bounty, and sandles D:

And colorless fixing!?

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Of course we get the frrakin' minotaur!

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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Snatch up the best ordeal

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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Now there's a 5 drop worth taking. Gimme that Prognostic Sphinx.


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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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Now there's the best blue rare. Sphinx Too bad about the Ordeal and Scorpion, but that Sphinx is great.

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Wow nice pack. We are likely to wheel one of the chimeras or a unicorn.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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It's just, like, yay another 5-drop. In our top-curve-heavy deck. I think you can look at this as say, awesome, Sphinx is an amazing card, it'll help control our draws, etc., etc. But I'm looking at our deck and seeing cards we need for it, actually NEED, because we've been drafting terribly, and we don't need another 5-drop, that's for damn sure. So, do we take an awesome 5-drop we don't need, or do we take something we do need? I think, as crappy as it feels, I'm going to pick the ordeal of nylea here. Whatever's happening in this draft, we're not only get cut in color, but we're getting cut specifically in low-curve creatures. The ordeal will make our smaller threats better and give us a chance to get the mana to actually cast the fat saturating our deck.

I don't think this is an easy pick, and I expect people to be super incredulous about this aside. But seriously people, in the beginning of pack 3, if you're not drafting for your deck and instead drafting based solely on card evaluation, you're probably finding yourself going more 2-1 than 3-0 in pods. Just sayin'.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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Ouch. You're right.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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It's just, like, yay another 5-drop. In our top-curve-heavy deck. I think you can look at this as say, awesome, Sphinx is an amazing card, it'll help control our draws, etc., etc. But I'm looking at our deck and seeing cards we need for it, actually NEED, because we've been drafting terribly, and we don't need another 5-drop, that's for damn sure. So, do we take an awesome 5-drop we don't need, or do we take something we do need? I think, as crappy as it feels, I'm going to pick the ordeal of nylea here. Whatever's happening in this draft, we're not only get cut in color, but we're getting cut specifically in low-curve creatures. The ordeal will make our smaller threats better and give us a chance to get the mana to actually cast the fat saturating our deck.

I don't think this is an easy pick, and I expect people to be super incredulous about this aside. But seriously people, in the beginning of pack 3, if you're not drafting for your deck and instead drafting based solely on card evaluation, you're probably finding yourself going more 2-1 than 3-0 in pods. Just sayin'.


If your problem is you have an incredibly top heavy curve, the solution is not ordeals, the two just don't mix. If 5 is too much for you, than go to 4 and grab the Chimera (it even has lifegain to help stabilize) or grab the actual curve lowerer Scorpion

However, I think Sphinx is powerful enough that you grab it here. You still have most of Pack 3 to grab mediocre curve fillers, this deck still needs power.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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You're just flat wrong. Card advantage (o of thassa) and ramp (o of nylea) "mix" with a top-heavy curve, and every other viable strategy in magic, like, ever.

We also have asp, nemesis, goliaths, and monsters. We're not lacking for power, we're lacking for playability.

You're right that we have the rest of this pack to fill out the lower part of our curve, but you ignored what I already stated and should be obvious by now: we're getting cut on low-curve playables.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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I'd still rather have a sphinx and replace something we have with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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You're just flat wrong. Card advantage (o of thassa) and ramp (o of nylea) "mix" with a top-heavy curve, and every other viable strategy in magic, like, ever.

We also have asp, nemesis, goliaths, and monsters. We're not lacking for power, we're lacking for playability.

You're right that we have the rest of this pack to fill out the lower part of our curve, but you ignored what I already stated and should be obvious by now: we're getting cut on low-curve playables.

I didn't mean literal power, I meant bomb-power.

My question is what on earth you are planning to put these Ordeals on? Omenspeaker is a good target, but otherwise I'm seeing a T4 ordeal which just doesn't do a ton. Ordeal of Nylea is incredibly slow and inconsistent Ramp. If we want these Ordeals to be good in our deck, we the low curve creatures, and if we get low curve creatures, then we don't need to worry about taking another 5 drop.

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 Post subject: Re: Theros draft 2!
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An ordeal on a warrior triggers when it attacks. A t2 ordeal on a scorpion is almost impossible to race. We have 5 things that can get +1/+1 counters to auto-trigger the ordeals, and we can prioritize (like we're already going to) getting low-curve creatures this pack. I mean, this is a format where people say, "yeah he had multiple ordeals" and not "yeah he scryed." MOAR CARDS. MOAR POWER. MOAR WIN. Ordeals do all of those, and affect the board immediately. Sphinx... whimpers at asps and bestowed dryads and stuff.

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