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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:34 pm 
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Neon Abigail wrote:
Is their a player list am I blind.

Not in here but there is in the setup thread. I went ahead an copied it for convenience, here it is with a couple notes I've added:
1. Numbers - Has not shown up
2. KoD - Has not shown up
3. Neon Abigail
4. Tevish
5. Mongoose - Has shown up but only to confirm
6. Rag
7. Skystone - Has not shown up
8. Captan_Lunch
9. Ex - Has not shown up
10. Minish - Has not shown up
11. DawningWinds
12. Melehan - Has shown up but only to meme



I don't think KoD will be showing up.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:45 pm 
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You could have just PMed the mod if you had a question instead of targeting me. So I think you had different motive for trying to use abilities. Especially coming out of the gate swinging on me with "combat everything". Now you say you got a better handle on what your doing. Is this your way of backing out of a fight? I'm also a PGO because retaliation will be swift and brutal.

I'm kinda thinking the exact opposite on Tevish's action: I think scum would've thought things through more and probably asked their teammates, so at some point it would've occurred to them or some member of their team that activating the action might be a bad idea, and they wouldn't do so. I think the reason they say they have a "better handle" is because they presumably didn't get any feedback of its success. Thinking about it with a bot designing the game and making pretty weird stuff that could mean pretty near anything. I don't think Tevish is trying to back out; they made it clear from the beginning that they were just using the action because they weren't clear on what it did, and now they're feeling slightly more clear on what it does; I'm not sure what about that doesn't make sense, that's about where I think a town progression with that sort of action use should be.
Your PGO claim coming now instead of immediately after mine or when Tevish targeted you seems odd, and given your reputation I'm not sure I'm fully inclined to take you at your word; however, if it is true, I do think it indicates that Tevish's action on you was not successful.


Yeah, I think you might be right. Tevish was just being a noob and didn't have any teammates to help him figure things out. What I said was just a knee jerk reaction, I'm not really a PGO, but I wouldn't advise targeting me either.


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:53 pm 
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Also Rule 12.5 is a thing. I don't think the mod would grant normal rules-ese cleartext for the abilities the bot gave us. Maybe I'm wrong, but I decided on empyrical testing instead. It's been quite informative.

You can add the bot on discord to ask it questions, so its possible the bot will grant some sort of clarification on what your abilities do.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:55 pm 
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I don't think KoD will be showing up.

Really? KoD seemed pretty excited about the game so it seems odd to assume he won't be coming at all. Any specific reason you think this?

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:05 pm 
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CL wrote:
What I said was just a knee jerk reaction, I'm not really a PGO, but I wouldn't advise targeting me either.

I'm not really inclined to believe this given the fact that you're not detailing why and we have a claimed sucessful target on you. "Don't target me for no reason in particular" pings me as a bit scummy, and with it clear that you weren't actually acting earlier I'm kinda inclined to overturn my earlier townread on you.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:09 pm 
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I don't think KoD will be showing up.

Really? KoD seemed pretty excited about the game so it seems odd to assume he won't be coming at all. Any specific reason you think this?


Sure do but you should also know that too right. He's the Emperor.

Well I guess everyone might not have the same info but I do have reason to believe that the Emperor is at least a common thread.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:10 pm 
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I'm also slightly positive that at least some of us have post restrictions or even can't post.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:19 pm 
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Neon wrote:
Sure do but you should also know that too right. He's the Emperor.

Well I guess everyone might not have the same info but I do have reason to believe that the Emperor is at least a common thread.

I get that he's maybe the Emperor but honestly I don't see him as the type of player who would completely ignore a game just because he autowins.

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I'm also slightly positive that at least some of us have post restrictions or even can't post

I have to stretch my imagination a lot to think that 1/3 of the game is auto silenced, even if it's a game designed by a bot.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:32 pm 
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Neon wrote:
Sure do but you should also know that too right. He's the Emperor.

Well I guess everyone might not have the same info but I do have reason to believe that the Emperor is at least a common thread.

I get that he's maybe the Emperor but honestly I don't see him as the type of player who would completely ignore a game just because he autowins.

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I'm also slightly positive that at least some of us have post restrictions or even can't post

I have to stretch my imagination a lot to think that 1/3 of the game is auto silenced, even if it's a game designed by a bot.


I don't think you can possibly not understand what I'm saying which makes me think I might be wrong about the core objective of this game or elsewise that I should be worried.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 5:56 pm 
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Neon wrote:
I don't think you can possibly not understand what I'm saying which makes me think I might be wrong about the core objective of this game or elsewise that I should be worried.

Can you try and elaborate on what you're trying to suggest with people not all being able to post? I'm trying to treat this as a normal Mafia game as much as possible so its entirely possible my view of what's happening is just more narrow than yours. I'd also be curious to hear your take on what the core objective of the game is.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 6:03 pm 
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I had to get clarification if I could even post in thread because the bot was confusing with my role.

I do know what Abi is talking about because it's pretty obvious from my PM and so I can understand her suspicion for not understanding why KoD might not show up. I'm not gonna say it's scummy or anything because the PMs were written by a bot, but it's interesting that both Abi and I get the same understanding from our PMs.


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 6:04 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 6:05 pm 
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The first post implies that the Emperor may not be able to interact directly with the game ("they are not a character anywhere"). Much like Abigail, it seems, I have independent reasons to endorse such a reading.

Thus, if KoD and "Emperor Kod" are unary (i.e. if KoD-the-person's in-game role is actually "Emperor KoD" and it's not the case that some non-KoD person received the "Emperor KoD" role), it is plausible that KoD may have severe posting restrictions.

Though, to be fair, KoD does tend to post somewhat later in the day.


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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 6:07 pm 
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Also, the game is called "Without the Emperor."

So, y'know...


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Minish wrote:
I do know what Abi is talking about because it's pretty obvious from my PM and so I can understand her suspicion for not understanding why KoD might not show up. I'm not gonna say it's scummy or anything because the PMs were written by a bot, but it's interesting that both Abi and I get the same understanding from our PMs.

There's absolutely nothing in my role suggesting the Emperor wouldn't be able to interact, really. I do take Skystone's point about the line "they are not a character anywhere" line in the OP though, I probably should've thought of that, even if my own role doesn't suggest that to be the case.

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Though the line "they are not a character anywhere" could also mean that there is no Emperor KoD role in the game at all, it definitely sounds like that's not the case.

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2022 6:17 pm 
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Also Minish, since it seems like you mighta missed it: players were pretty expressly told they had to be a bird earlier so you might wanna do that because it sounds like not being a bird is a killable offense.

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"Characters" in Mafia generally refers to roles in my experience, which is what I mean by Emperor KoD not being a role anyone has based on the "not a character anywhere" line. I don't really think it's the case based on what others our saying, but I figured it was worth throwing out the possibility.

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