The hologram now looks very wrong, it has evolved.

*hands hologram a slab of metal*

There's not really anything to go on but I'm still gonna try and make some sorta reads, maybe we'll get some discussion happening from it:
I think the way Captain_Lunch goes about their ninja claim feels sorta towny. Using it on Tevish is obviously a sorta revenge-strike type deal and I don't usually see many scum openly doing that sorta thing, even this early when the thread's not all that serious.

Tevish is also slightly towny for their "press this button and see what happens" attitude towards their action: I feel like scum in this game with an action they don't remotely understand would usually be inclined to be a bit more methodical with how they test it and who they target in case it turns out the ability's effects make them look bad.

Neon Abigail is pretty much a solid null at this point, nothing really strikes me one way or another from her.

Rag is slightly scummy to me. The couple games I played with her I don't recall her being much for partaking in joke discussion like this, and she strikes me as one who, as town, normally would normally want to get actual game talk going as soon as she can from previous game. Admittedly her difference could be a product of this game making absolutely no sense even from the host, but she could also be scum.

ExLight is hard scum because he's ExLight.

Gonna vote Rag for now.
[b]Vote: Ragnarokio

How does formatting on this forum work.
Vote: Ragnarokio

Also if the bot's serious about KoD autowinning it might be worth lynching him early (Day 1-2) so there's no risk of him backstabbing us in LyLo since he wins no matter what happens (including, presumably, if he's lynched, so it wouldn't be stopping friendly 3p from winning) and if we're gonna lynch the autowin guy it'd be best to do so early rather than wasting a Day later on. Probably shouldn't be the focus of our discussion but might be good to keep in the back of our minds, especially if we can't come up with a better lynch as the day progresses.

[quote=dw]
Rag is slightly scummy to me. The couple games I played with her I don't recall her being much for partaking in joke discussion like this, and she strikes me as one who, as town, normally would normally want to get actual game talk going as soon as she can from previous game. Admittedly her difference could be a product of this game making absolutely no sense even from the host, but she could also be scum.
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i'm probably often lynched for being excessively friviol at times

I've been spending a bit of time thinking about how to approach this game but haven't come up with too much yet and so haven't really posted. Its pretty intimidating considering how uncertain everything feels. Not an environment I'm used to.

I think asking the bot a lot of questions might be a way to get free information about the game, even if its by creating new aspects of the game on accident.

In theory people should glow yellow at some point today if they don't want to be deleted.

Being able to shapeshift our win conditions seems to make the game pretty non-mafia-like. I'm not even sure if the setup resembles a mafia game to begin with or not

The good news is that I now have a better idea about what my ability does. Seems to be a defensive or manipulative, rather than offensive action, though there's a nonzero chance of some sort of retributive effect.

To my knowledge, which I now believe I would probably have in some cases, CL's retort has not processed, which is weird if his effect was a fighting-type move. It's possible we're having a godly defenses staredown right now.

Currently have a so-faint-it's-practically-invisible town lean on CL from context, moderate town read on Dawning, and a neutral to worried read on Neon. I don't think I've played with Neon before (more's the pity) but typically when I've personally gone really off my rocker with memes and the like, it's been as scum.

"Emperor KoD" might be distinct from player KoD. It would be weird for the emperor to be in the "without the Emperor" game. I'm also concerned, if KoD is in fact Emperor KoD, as to what lynching KoD might do to anyone who cares about the Emperor. From a theory perspective, Dawning is right, but I'm not sure how far we can take theory in a game this obtuse.

We maybe played one game together... maybe name sounds familiar. But word of warning on my play style memes and anime image posts are normal. I've been trying to improve my play and actually functionally be useful to town of late so I do participate more often in reads and what have you but I still play a highly meme based style.

I think I've found a way to meld the two into actual usefulness.

In actual game play I'm never very good at openly reading like early game fluff but Tevish and CL have really town leans from me based on just coming into the thread and activating abilities willy nilly early... well assuming they are real but I have no reason not to think that right now. It's a slight read but it's there.

tevish ime is very good at matching his metas and so i'm doubtful its feasible to read him from his posts for the most part. CL is a true chaos demon and i'm afraid of trying to read him, lest i burn away parts of my mind i can't afford to lose

[quote= "Rag"]
i'm probably often lynched for being excessively friviol at times
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Can I have an example of this?

[quote= "Rag"]
I've been spending a bit of time thinking about how to approach this game but haven't come up with too much yet and so haven't really posted. Its pretty intimidating considering how uncertain everything feels. Not an environment I'm used to.[/quote]
I think the best play when it comes to players is just to try and read them like you would any other Mafia game, for the most part. With the exception of if you see someone making a post that calls to the bot to shapeshift their wincon, you reset your read on them and only read them based on further posts. I doubt everyone's going to use the wincon shapeshifting mechanic, and I especially doubt that a large number of people will do so at once, so most likely you'll only really be resetting a few reads throughout the course of the game that'll probably be a reasonable amount of time apart.

[quote= "Rag"]
I think asking the bot a lot of questions might be a way to get free information about the game, even if its by creating new aspects of the game on accident.[/quote]
This might be worth experimenting with to figure out the mechanics. I personally don't have anything I feel like asking at the moment but if at any point people do I don't really see a reason not to; even if it creates a new aspect of the game at least we'd kinda know what it does.

[quote= "Rag"]
In theory people should glow yellow at some point today if they don't want to be deleted[/quote]
I initially thought your post where you did so was a joke, but actually, yeah, this is probably true. Everyone should probably glow yellow ASAP so they don't forget and get deleted.

I glow yellow.

[quote= "Tevish"]
To my knowledge, which I now believe I would probably have in some cases, CL's retort has not processed, which is weird if his effect was a fighting-type move. It's possible we're having a godly defenses staredown right now
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You also might not have found out what the action used on you did? The text on it very feels very much like an active ability, and quite likely one that negatively impacts the target, but with the timing it could've just not affected you.

[Quote= "Tevish"]
I don't think I've played with Neon before (more's the pity) but typically when I've personally gone really off my rocker with memes and the like, it's been as scum.[/quote]
I do think I agree with this; I don't think it's worth pushing her over it without knowledge of how she usually conducts herself alignment, but I don't think its all that uncommon for the players who do the most meming right away to be scum, so it could be worth keeping an eye on.

[quote= "Tevish"]
"Emperor KoD" might be distinct from player KoD. It would be weird for the emperor to be in the "without the Emperor" game. I'm also concerned, if KoD is in fact Emperor KoD, as to what lynching KoD might do to anyone who cares about the Emperor. From a theory perspective, Dawning is right, but I'm not sure how far we can take theory in a game this obtuse.
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You do have a point about player KoD vs Emperor KoD being potentially separate-- he might be able to confirm whether this is the case when he comes into the thread. And about the risks of killing the Emperor, I completely forgot to consider that so thanks for pointing that out. Probably not worth doing if there's a high chance of negative outcome, especially if we're not sure what the negative outcome will be.

Early game fluff is always pretty hard to get a read on, but ultimately trying is kinda necessary to get discussion that you can get more solid reads from going. I agree pretty much exactly with those reads; but there was a bit more serious discussion going by the time you made this so I do wonder if you have reads on anyone else at all from that?

I get that some people can be hard to read, but straight up declaring that you won't even try does not seem like helpful. Yeah, you might be wrong, but trying to solve the game is entirely necessary to actually solving the game, and saying you will not even be attempting to read multiple players is not what I call trying to solve the game.


I am not feeling any better about Rag and am potentially actually feel worse about her. Will not at this point be moving my vote.

Feeling a bit stronger in my townlean Tevish due to our agreement on a lot of things.

Neon Abigail I'm still not really sure on. I do agree with her CL and Tevish reads but feel like with the thread having started to enter more serious discussion there was room for her to make more solid reads based on that, but I'm slightly inclined to give her some leeway on that based on her presumably being a newer player by the sounds of it? I think I'm gonna need some more posts from her before I decide my read on her.

one famous example is my being lynched for pinkie swearing that i wasn't scum, probably. In general I've probably had something like a reputation as a "village idiot" for a long time and it used to be that i was a go-to policy lynch on day 1 although I've probably since mellowed out. I also don't take mafia as seriously as I used to though.



I'm not even convinced we're dealing with a town and a scum team, though, so reading isn't necessarily going to do anything. I suppose its a fine place to start though, at least.

I don't think CL has any of the abilities they implied they had. I don't know a lot about how this bot works and i only know a little bit about how generating text works for bots, but my impression is that the machine learning model should be supplied a data set and then trained, or that the bot should be loaded with something resembling an already trained ai. In either case, the data the bot is fed will determine what kind of text it is able to generate. In this case its obvious that the bot is using a lot of star wars words and a lot of mafia terminology. The writing style reminds me of the writing used in AI dungeon which i think uses GPT. I know very little about GPT but i have a friend who is interested in it and has talked about it and played around with it some.

My impression is that it should be nearly impossible for the bot to use naruto-themed words in CL's role PM unless it was specifically using different data to generate his role PM than it was using to generate mine and the OPs (For the record, my role PM is also clearly star wars themed).



I'll certainly be trying to read tevish, and enjoy doing so despite my perceived fruitlessness. CL is a matter of my mental health though, and so thats an abyss I'll have to refuse to gaze into.

I was kinda hoping to get a link when I asked, but alright, that makes sense. Doesn't really change my read on you because I still take issue with the post where you basically say you won't be reading two players in the game at all-- even if you don't take Mafia super seriously you could put at least a little effort into that if you're town.


I guess I can see why you'd doubt this being town vs. Mafia, but for the moment, that's kinda the only thing we can really assume is the case, given there's no solid evidence to the contrary besides "this game is weird as heck", which isn't really evidence of anything else specific so we'd just be making random speculations.
You say reading is a place to start but you aren't giving any reads. Got any thoughts on anyone you'd care to share?

none of the posts thus far have struck me as AI. Tevish seems to be genuinely interested in exploring the nature of the game which i imagine he would be as either alignment. CL is probably lying for some reason inscrutible to me but i also think thats NAI. You seem eager to get the ball rolling which is good for the town although from what little i know about you its probably not AI. Nobody else has posted anything substantial. The hologram could be the result of a player action, and I would suppose Neon would be the biggest candidate for that, being the only remaining active player.

I will spend 70% of this game solving 5% posting anime gifs and 25% of it talking to the bot.

This actually makes sense; my role PM is also Star Wars themed. That said, the bot did have everythibg in the sign up thread as part of its rold PM generation data presumably, and I don't remember off the top of my head what all the was, so if there was something ninja-or-Naruto themed in the data set there it would be possible for CL to be telling the truth.


What makes Neon the biggest candidate for that? Do you have anything to say about her posts?


I get why CL lying is NAI if he is indeed entirely as chaotic as you've suggested, but why do you consider mine and Tevish's posts NAI?

because i don't think anything you or tevish have said is more likely to come from a scum perspective than a town perspective

neon hasn't given me any strong impression with her posts. as far as i'm concerned she hasn't participated in the game yet. She's been actively posting though, unlike most players thus far, and so if someone has been activating abilities she's a natural candidate. Tevish and CL have both already basically claimed to use abilities and i guess I don't really have a good reason to discount you other than that you seem to be more open than neon has been.

I doubt the phrase "Space–Time Ninjutsu: Godspeed" was uttered in the signup thread, and since that phrase appears to be used ad-verbatim in naruto it seems unlikely its something the bot cobbled together from otherwise unrelated words.