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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:39 am 
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Naga is suspect for the sheer amount of gate keeping he is doing on the information front. What is being taken as public information is only done so at Naga's word, but we have nothing to verify his alignment and accuracy of the information he's presenting to begin with. His interactions don't exactly exonerate him. Nor does the doc interaction since we don't have a steady kill reference. As Ex pointed out, a poisoner would give the illusion of a successful doc save while not actually being truth. Further KoD was a far more prominent kill target, being mod confirmed town already.
[/quote]Poisoner Naga...? :psyduck:
I... I guess that's a possibility...? Since I blocked them last night the kill would've been a poisoned KoD
But then would they be lying about their role? I doubt mafia would have both a coroner-ish and a poisoner in a single person.

I'd rather not assume someone guilty over the possibility of a role either, to be honest.

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Apart from that aspect, Naga tried to protect a player who proposed to be mechanically confirmable as town. KoD didn't make his claim until one literal minute to deadline, ergo Naga had every excuse to propose that he didn't have time to comment on flips. That's why I struggle to motivate Naga's behavior from a scum perspective – he simply had no reason to contribute given that he assumed that Day was at an end.

(But I actually would agree that it's not indicative if we aren't at deadline.)
Oh, hmm. That's a pretty good point, I think I'll have to agree. In any case I failed to realize the deadline context when reading Naga, so he was still in my PoE until last night.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:39 am 
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Also where is he umu
can we get him prodded

maybe start considering the replacement hello world offered too


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 10:53 am 
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– he simply had no reason to contribute given that he assumed that Day was at an end.


Thinking day is over is every reason to contribute. At that point there's no changing the lynch and KoD is done for. An IC resolved without having to waste a kill. Plus positive PR from coming out about flips before it's a bomb dropped by the mod.

@Ex, you are thinking about poisoner as a linear role when the standard NK could simply be replaced by a poisoning ability, making it irrelevant who does the kill. I did this not too long ago in a game that also featured a bulletproof cult leader (because he was only immune to kills that were perpetuated by guns) which Tevish played in, meaning he would be aware of the concept.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 8:45 pm 
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I'm gonna

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Just in case Tevish decides to modkill Naga, so we don't have votes sitting around in a possible 3-way without some discussion first.

JayDreven wrote:
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– he simply had no reason to contribute given that he assumed that Day was at an end.


Thinking day is over is every reason to contribute. At that point there's no changing the lynch and KoD is done for. An IC resolved without having to waste a kill. Plus positive PR from coming out about flips before it's a bomb dropped by the mod.

@Ex, you are thinking about poisoner as a linear role when the standard NK could simply be replaced by a poisoning ability, making it irrelevant who does the kill. I did this not too long ago in a game that also featured a bulletproof cult leader (because he was only immune to kills that were perpetuated by guns) which Tevish played in, meaning he would be aware of the concept.

As a modifier shot of something like strongman or ninja? I mean I guess, still seem a bit obscure lol
I can't deny it's a possibility, but I'm not sure it's one I'd like to double down on without a bit more of evidence of it
I feel like holstering the kill to bring us to a MyLo rather than a LyLo makes a lot of sense since we realized we can't vote for a No Lynch, so since it's an information public to us, so that's a bit more of evidence in the favor of this theory.


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We're still largely within Naga's stated potential absence period.

To preserve the integrity of the game, something will be done about him on Friday if we haven't heard from him until then. I'll drop him a line so he knows this is still going/on him.

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I've contacted HW. I'll give him a fair chance to reply. Sorry about this, folks!

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It's all good, lol.
Naga is the one who said they'd be around by last Monday (or so I understood) and then vanished.


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I'm pretty sure mown pushed him in a river.

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According to the ol' outbox, neither Naga nor HW have picked up their PMs.

If anyone has a reason why they'd feel the game would have better integrity NOT modkilling Naga, speak now (by PM if you must) or forever hold your peace. If I think it's a good reason I'll leave the seat in play, but my personal opinion is that it would be most fair at this juncture to remove the role when return and replacement have both failed. I want to take the opinions of players into consideration when the matter regards fairness and game health rather than rules processing, but it would have to be a pretty good reason.

If no one speaks up with such a reason, I'll modkill Naga this time tomorrow (Monday). I've tried to be generous and accommodating and the game has suffered for it. Anyone who doesn't post or PM between now and then will get a PM reminding them that the game is on when Naga's fate is decided.

The absolute deadline for this day is this time Wednesday -- 48 hours after the modkill (or lack thereof) goes out.

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I have no concerns at this point.


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Naga has been banished to Nowhere.

Deadline is in 48 hours.

Any vote count that may have been applied has been reset.

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Alright. I've contemplated my courses of action for about 42 seconds. I've made my decision.

Vote: Skystone

Wouldn't it be fun to go through these processes only to have Naga be the last scum?

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The game would be over if Naga were scum.


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Skystone wrote:
The game would be over if Naga were scum.

To which end it warrants mention that Naga's claims are now verifiably true. Ergo, we know that Rag was scum.

I hammered Rag.

I was not under meaningful pressure at the time.


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Game only ends at start of day checks. Tevish can verify this.

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While technically true, that no longer matters. Either Naga is scum, in which case we have already won; or else he was town, in which case his claims are all true. The first case doesn't matter. Only the second matters to the game's outcome, ergo we must play as if Naga is town.


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Skystone wrote:
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The game would be over if Naga were scum.

To which end it warrants mention that Naga's claims are now verifiably true. Ergo, we know that Rag was scum.

I hammered Rag.

I was not under meaningful pressure at the time.

I mean I had publicly announced that I was going to anyway, so it's not like you could've saved her? Might as well go for town cred if she were to die

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:06 pm 
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Also, I don't think Tevish would drag the game even longer if Naga was scum but that would be funny lol


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