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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:00 pm 
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Looks like Sky would be lynched right now.
preview edit: or is it still 2 votes on Sky because of JD's post right now?

If Sky flips mafia that would probably be big for town.
But as I said yesterday I think if Sky flips town we are in big trouble.

Therefore I would like to solve Zinger/Tevish first.
Because it would help us no matter how they flip.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:02 pm 
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Vote: Aaarrrgh


My preference is Aaarrrgh (as previously stated) but I would be fine with Tevish - I actually think lynching Tevish solves more, but I am more suspicous for Aaarrrgh.

@Zinger: There might not be enough time, but you could try voting someone else and see if that shows up.

If Tevish flips mafia, I would be willing to vote Argh with you tomorrow.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:12 pm 
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Actually, I did say that there was some interpreting on my part required in order to extrapolate the context from the very short piece of the scum chat I got to see. It's possible I could be wrong.

Though I believe that the most likely interpretation is that the Mafia were plotting to use KoD in some way, I suppose, upon reexamination, that there is a slight possibility that KoD is the third Mafioso, that he was absent for some stretch of time from their chat, and the two who were discussing him merely were trying to anticipate how he would react to their plan once he returned from wherever he has run off to.

For the record, I still firmly believe KoD is town and that my initial interpretation was correct, but I can't ignore the possibility that I might have been wrong about the way these two were talking about KoD (it could, I suppose, be interpreted as less manipulation, and more anticipation for his return from some absence).

Mind you, this was before Day 2 when KoD had to leave for a funeral.

Something that i forgot to mention is..
You said: "brief record of a conversation between two anonymous individuals who I firmly believe to be the mafia."
Does that mean that you are not 100% sure that this conversation took place in a mafia chat?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:20 pm 
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My preferred lynch candidates are presently Aaarrrgh, Tevish, and Darsktar. I am willing to believe that Zinger paraphrased mafia chat (regardless of whether he himself is scum), and I am also inclined to agree a passive player is a likely candidate for scum. Darkstar has been non-committal up until his recent post, so for me that recent making-an-account swings the pendulum somewhat over to Aaarrrgh.

In the case of Tevish, his basic argument is crucially flawed, as he continues to fail to account for the fact that Rag was the logical night kill target. Plus, in his one other post, he glided around doing actual analysis, merely reprising his take without any evidence.

As such, at this point, I'd be willing to lynch either Aaarrrgh or Tevish. The wagon on Aaarrrgh seems to me to come from a place more rooted in town, but I would be willing to switch to Tevish if Zinger is willing to do the same.

For the time being, then:

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:33 pm 
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I am not totally against lynching Argh, but I think it's more risky than lynching Tevish.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:36 pm 
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You know what? No. I have delivered to you a confirmed Town on a silver platter, I've been right about the Lock status acting as protection from kills, and I've been on the trails of scum since Day friggin' 1. And still nobody listens to me. What good is keeping up a kill-proof shield if you can't use your invulnerable status to help take down scum? The Mafia are terrified of me because I started Locked Day 1, and without Rag's ability in the mix, I'm maybe the only one who they can't reliably guarantee a kill on. Yet nobody seems to think about how that affects the way scum players are tiptoeing around me.

So no, I will not budge. You all move.

I am convinced Sky is scum. You want my cooperation on Aaarrgh and or Tevish and or whoever else you guys and gals are suspicious of? It's the end of Day **** 3 and I have been pointing a finger at Sky since the beginning of Day 2. You can have my help when Sky is dead.

I will happily follow suit vs Tevish or Aaarrgh Day 4.

You want my help, earn it.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:39 pm 
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I forgot about the scum chat thing you got zinger. Who do we think are the big brain mafia plotters?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:39 pm 
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I am unbound. Now and forever more.


















Let's get to it.

First and foremost, I have an issue with your presentation Zinger. Consistently you've been "buddying up" to me throughout the entire game. Pleading for me to show up to axe Skystone. Trying to make deals with me while willing to leash yourself to me should you be wrong. I find this extremely suspect. Especially when you take into account that you *know* I'm town by some means that I am not familiar with; especially since Rag was a cop (which forced her death). You have stated to have access to a portion of a chat wherein you know that the mafia made an attempt, with Amber's death, to goad me into some sort of action.

All of that strikes me as -- convenient. You started out by going after Skystone's jugular simply because I don't know. Whatever it was that he said or did rubbed you the wrong way from the start so much so that you've consistently been seeking his lynch/death numerous days in a row. For his part, Skystone hasn't struck me as scummy. I don't fault him for pursuing Faerie. I don't blame him for volunteering to be targeted by Tevish.

Now don't get me wrong. I ***could*** be wrong about Skystone. After all, the only reason I even guessed him right as a scum pick in Pinky Promise Mafia is because my paranoia demanded it. Skystone is simply too good at times, but I'm not going to hold that against him at this point in time. He's not doing anything wrong or scummy that, combined with being a good player, would warrant a lynch on him today as far as I am concerned.

In that same vein of thought, I am two minds concerning you, Zinger. You, with your displays of emotions and calls to action, literally strike me as the aggressor. The orchestrator of what it is that you claim to have glimpsed somehow from the mafia chat or w/e. I fully believe that you are the driving force that suggested Amber's death. I firmly think that you convinced more passive-minded players (whoever they may be) to go along with your cold, calculated scheme.

I ***could*** be wrong about you as well though. Certainly, from where I stand, one of you, Skystone, or Tevish may be the perpetrator of Amber's death. All I can do with the three of you is rank you in an order that I'd execute to see who pushed for Amber's death. That will get messy though.

Rather than pursue that course of action, I feel it is better to focus on the submissive player in that chat dynamic you mentioned. Certainly, by virtue of your NLP, I know that that conversation did occur. That being said, the submissive player is someone who is cautious/would recommend caution: Arrgh fits that bill to a T. He is and always will be the cautious player that will err on the side of caution. Perhaps, per the conversation you mentioned, Arrgh was worried that I would pursue him. I mean, you said it yourself Zinger, I *MAY* tend to go after Arrgh as scum more often than not; however, in my defense there, I'd say I've been rather spot on about that short of other players telling me otherwise *cough*ASMM3*cough*.

The good thing about pursuing this submissive player is that it is a rather short pool: Maybe Arrgh, maybe Dusky, or maybe Darkstar. Maybe. Pursuing you or Skystone though? Way to axe strong, vocal players. Plus, given your bargain you want with me and the fact you outed me as town (with Rag having already died) there is no guarantee that you would have your vote leashed to me if I become the NK. You'd be free of your word then.



So no, I decline to see Skystone lynched. I'd rather see Arrgh lynched first and foremost.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:52 pm 
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Aaarrrgh wrote:

Yet bear in mind we had a Faerie lynch which was pitted against Skystone via Arrgh's suggestion no less./quote]

That's... Not what happened. Sky and Faerie we're arguing with each other, and I commented on it. I never suggested the lynch should be between the two of them. You are reading a lot into that situation which simply doesn't exist.


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Because of my schedule, it's hard for me to fully keep up with the thread. That means that literally the only thing I have been able to properly absorb is your push on Tevish. Which I think is weak, at best. But I have no other reads or anything useful to add, because every time I look at the thread, that's the main thing I see.

I think I need to take a break from Mafia after this game. I just don't have the time and energy to do it right at this point in my life.

Anyway, I still think both Tevish and Zinger are town (which means I also trust Zinger that KoD is town). I'm about to go to bed, but I want to say least put some small effort into this, so I'm quickly scanning the thread for something else to comment on...

... Ok, let's pick Sky vs. Fairie. I feel like Sky made some good points at the beginning of day about Faerie playing strangely D1. That whole interaction is a point in favor of Sky and against Fairie in my book.

Now it is pushing 11PM in my time zone, so I will say good night.


Bold is mine.

All you accomplished here is using language to accentuate a choice between Skystone or Faerie especially when you had just voiced an opinion that put the other hot topic people as squarely town v town.

Plus your comment about Skystone v Faerie was succinctly short. What you didn't do is make a call to action on your own side. You simply award a point to Skystone (again the whole "Skystone pitted against Faerie" theme) and left it at that.

You may not be as brash as Zinger or myself, but you certainly got the imagery across of a Skystone lynch vs a Faerie lynch. That much is certain.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:54 pm 
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@Zinger:

Come at me with your Skystone case. You are clearly convinced he is scum, yet I do not see it. What I do see is you convinced yourself of the such through great dislike for Skystone. That hardly makes for a compelling case to me, assuming you want me to join you on Skystone.

Convince me of yourself. You know full well you left yourself ambiguous to me with how you went about asserting my towniness. Why is it I should trust in you to be town aside from your claim to have found and been after scum since D1? Because, quite directly, your claim is not as golden as you think it is. And that bothers me.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:56 pm 
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What are we sitting at for remaining time? Like thirty mins or an hour?

Right now it looks like Zinger has pitted himself against a lot of people.

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And CL continues to exist out there in left field with his comments here and there.

Man, I swear with how little you are contributing it *almost* makes you seem like how you were from Mario Kart Mafia. Or Double Dash Mafia. Whatever game that was (it was fun no matter what).

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Aight. Fine. Have it your way. I'm done screaming into a void.

Aaarrgh said he's tired of this B.S. and wants to take a break from Mafia after this. I can relate.

Lynch whoever the frak you want. I'm just going to sit back and watch the world burn.

Town deserves to lose.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:59 pm 
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Unvote, Vote: Skystone

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:00 pm 
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I told you I am unbound.

Now show me your moves, Zinger.

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Unvote, Vote: Skystone

Such betrayal. :(


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:03 pm 
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Clearly, I don't want to die. Are we at deadline?

Vote: Tevish


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:04 pm 
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The story came full circle, my teacher.

Just as I unvoted you to vote Zinger into oblivion, now I have voted you into oblivion.

What remains to be seen is how accurate Zinger thinks he is, and whether or not my thoughts correlate to the truth of this reality.

I'll keep the knife in good condition for someone else in your honor though. That, I promise you.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:05 pm 
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Also I don't know about deadline. I went off of uhhhhh JD's post response to Darkstar and I think maybe 4 more mins? I couldn't tell you.

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We still have like 50 minutes...


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