lynching power roles is a bad idea imo and so is outing them

if you think someone accidently outed themselves as a power role your play as town is not to clarify to everyone that what they said was indicitive of being a power role just in case the mafia missed it. your play is to stay silent and hope the mafia missed it.

this approach doesn't really make sense from a town perspective

That's actually a good assessment, Rag. I agree.

@CL:

We live in a locksmith guild association. So no, I am not a paranormal investigator. That particular skill is something I picked up along the way.

Though Skystone actively preventing me from utilizing it properly is a nuisance.

@Skystone:

But he's not saying he outed himself. He's saying Tevish outed Zinger. So he (Zinger) is not trying to lynch a power role.

Though we he would claim one I don't know.

@KoD
I don't understand. You agree with rags assesment that PRs should stay quiet, while you claim to have abilities?

@CL:

Did you miss the part where said abilities are a part of me as an entity vs what is obtained from a role pm?

Or are you fishing for something more?



Either way.

So your like a psychic detective. Im on board with that prolly more legit than an NLP

As town, if I have special information, I default to sharing it. Obviously, there are conditions where this isn't the case, but I've seen more games screwed by blind flailing than lost to excessive revelation.

And, especially when I had something that could form the foundation of an interesting discussion at the start of D1, rather than just memeing somebody to death? (UNVOTE, by the way. No special reason to kill CL right now) Even if this results in a mislynch on me I'll think I've done a pretty good job if we get a meaty D1 out of it.

Further, I feel like you (zinger) are kind of flailing with your hostility to having your lockedness revealed. Yes, there are contorted WIFOM ways that this could be evil, but at the current point I feel it's really grasping at straws, deriving the events from the foregone conclusion rather than analyzing the events and reaching a conclusion.

Current analysis

Zinger: Jumpy, but Zinger is usually jumpy -- it was the same way last game where he was town as when he's been scum. Neutral Read

KoD: Gets some brownie points for pointing out logical holes, but doesn't follow up. Faint shady read.

CL: CL has been asking questions. IME CL-Maf doesn't do that, at least not so eagerly. Fairly town read

Skystone: Logical, plays with the meme, seems to be involved in the game despite a previous statement of limited activity for a bit. Faint town read

Faerie: Short, light, and uncontroversial posts with still some skew, feels a lot like the Faerie we had last game. Significant scum read for now.

VOTE: Faerie

Doesn't follow up? Follow up Zinger's reaction towards you? At best I could grill him on, say, the idea that if what he is asserting is the case (ie. a power role), then he could claim as such with his NLP to back it up. Problem is it leaves much to be desired given we don't have a standardized definition of a power role, unless it is something that isn't strictly vanilla.

So no, it's not that I'm not following up. That line of pursuit will devolve into an ugly back and forth that will get us nowhere. That is, no where to susing out Skystone. It'll surely get us towards lynching something within the ball that spawns from that discourse though.

I have some questions and concerns here.

You're being vague here. I can't do meta read here and for example you are town reading CL for asking questions and most of the questions I remember him asking were roles, asking kod is he an investigator and those are not good questions to ask. You town read Sky for being involved in the game and from what I remember from him is talking about Zinger and kod and how is that a town read when what he has done is nai? By uncontroversial do you mean by me disagreeing and what does skew mean?

@kod What concerns me about you is it looked like you have a scum read on Sky and you don't vote you scum read. Was this all a play you were doing and you don't have a scum read?

omgamber

also i misunderstood the whole zinger tevish thing zinger's reaction makes a lot more sense now and is typical for him and thus nai in my book

tevish volunteering the information is also nai as a result of being typical imo though his last post reads as trying to extinguish the heat by throwing out a reads list

Tevish: As I said I don't think scum would do such a move, and his explanations are very believable imo.
Therefore I would slightly townread him.
On the other hand though it could have been a very bad move if Zingers speculation is true:
And I don't like it that it kinda let to Zinger low-key claiming a power role!?

Zinger: His aggressiveness and scumread of likely town-players is consistent with his last game where he was town.
But i really don't like this low-key claim out of the blue. Which could also be a genius scum-move.
Maybe it would be best as KoD said that Zinger claims that he his a power role with his NLP backing it up. But after the last game, I kind of lost my trust in his NLP.
Currently I am just Null-reading him.

KoD: He is just doing KoD things again. But at least his non-meme posts are a bit smarter than usual on D1. Town-leaning.

CL: He probably has more posts than in the last game overall. He has to be town for sure

Sky: Good posts so far. Please be more active soon. And I agree with Tevish here:


Faerie: Pretty similar to last game where she was scum. Mainly criticizing and asking question.
Slight scum-read.

Rag: First posts are confusing, but this backpeddling looks very believable. Slight town read.


I scumread everyone else for not being active enough.

Why is everyone acting like I didn't claim a power role? I absolutely do have a power role. Why else would I react the way that I have? From my perspective, Tevish outed me as such the minute he asked why I was locked.

The way my role is crafted leads me to heavily believe that anyone with a power role likely starts out locked, though of this I naturally can't be certain. If I'm right, though, Mafia would likely be just as aware of this as I am. Tevish knew I was locked (somehow) and was obviously fishing and/or setting up some endgame. Either he wanted to gauge how much of a threat I was for the purpose of night killing, or he wanted to try and smear me because he's afraid the mafia can't night kill me (if the mafia night kill can only hit unlocked players this makes sense). Either way, he's super suss.

When I looked at Darkstar's readslist he is basically sheeping off Tevish's reads list which concerns me because scum would also just sheep off a player's reads. I also don't like his read on me because he says my play is similar to the last game and don't ever meta read me because in my recent completed scum games I emulate my town games. I find this weird Darkstar said I criticized when I didn't do that. Show me where did I criticize.


If Darkstar is town then that would mean that we have a clash of different playstyle.

At first I wanted to talk about Zinger, Tevish and KoD only. But I started doing some reads and then I felt it would make more sense to talk about everyone.
I took Tevish's list as kind of a template and used the same order for better clarity.


Yeah sure, we will stop meta reading people because they say we should stop meta reading them


viewtopic.php?p=700148#p700148 this post criticizes KoD.
viewtopic.php?p=700207#p700207 this post criticizes Tevish.
viewtopic.php?p=700208#p700208 this post criticizes KoD.
(Maybe we have a different meaning of criticizing. *shrug*)


Yes, could be just a clash of playstyles, like I have with Argh apparently. (I am glad he is not posting much so far )

Hey, I've got time to vote. Day isn't over yet.

Besides, I seem to do a lot that concerns you. That's right, last game was just last game ago.

As I said earlier regarding Tevish, what he did is inline with his town mindset in handling information he had available to him. Scum!Tevish would hardly be that overt in his approach, let alone knowing whether or not a locked player (at the start) is a power role (if that is at all the case despite Zinger's own claim).

Connecting that thought to Zinger, it seems like odd motivation for Zinger to go out of his way to not only berate Tevish for, imo, asking a simple question regarding Zinger's status. Never mind that Zinger directly steered the course of the conversation in such a way that it led to him, more or less, outing information about himself voluntarily vs having it outed (like his locked state via Tevish). After all, who is to say that a PR has to start in a locked state, savvy?

Dark Scumhunter 3000


Wow.

I'll have you know that I am a driving force for the town and mafia in general. I am a being to be reckoned with. Especially when I am unleashed.

Currently I'm not unleashed. I'm just here. Doing my thing of SUSING Skystone out.


@Zinger:

I'm acting that way because, prior to this latest post of yours, it was hardly a confirmed fact that you have a PR. There's no concrete reason to necessarily believe that starting in a locked state auto makes you a PR. Your reaction to it, while weird, didn't necessarily confirm this more so than served as an avenue for you to argue for the support of Tevish being lynched over an assessment of his actions which I find to not be how you characterized them.

That's just me though.

That aside, your portrayal of Tevish doesn't make sense. First and foremost, Tevish stated he had a day ability iirc where he could target a player to check their status(?) or something to that affect. That's why he brought you up after having targeted you and getting the result. From a scum standpoint (generally speaking) there's no reason to out himself/draw attention to himself (in the manner you describe) for the sake of lynching you. Especially when that's not what advocated for in the first place (he only asked a question).

It's odd that you truly think the mafia may have no counter play to a locked player if the mafia nk can't be used on them (which, again, seems off since it is usually treated as a factional ability vs individual abilities like what we saw in Psyche Mafia though only one kill could be used at a time). Needless to say, that's not to say that the mafia nk will be treated as a literal ability that can't target a locked player. Period.

So no, I don't agree with your outlook on Tevish in the slightest. At best you're reacting in a manner similar to last game as town. At worst, given how you've angled your claim to a PR whatever it may be (again definition matters here as one could suspect that any non-vanilla role is a PR), then you may be mafia that is pushing for a player (town!Tevish) to be gotten rid of due to his ability and having targeted you. Imagine that with how vague you tend to be, a mafia role is considered a PR and you starting locked is an indication of that. Or perhaps pseudo-babyface? Either way, you're hardly the herald I would follow into the gates of hell (because I'd be up front leading).


@Faerie: Yeah, no, you certainly criticized per your M.O. That we know of anyway. Anyway, I don't mind Dark's approach thus far into the game. I certainly can agree to feeling similar about you, Faerie given last game (despite what you claim in your post about emulating your town plays).