I probably keep my vote on Tevish today but I'm absolutely not content to just waste the day waiting for them to flip.

Vote: Tevish

Wasn't registered before.

But seriously if you give me another "Silver is town because I vig shot them and I feel bad" then I will self hammer myself here and now to end my suffering lol.

Like... you can read my posts yourself and see my frustration building up over the course of this game until I mostly just stopped playing.

Obviously I'm a wolf getting frustrated at nonsensical town play even while I'm widely townread though.

I think it's also harder that nobody is around when I'm actually trying to play. Ends up feeling like I'm out of the loop a lot.

Like a wagon came onto me yesterday out of nowhere even though it's really obvious I'm town (lol) and instead of asking yourself "if I don't want to vote Tevish, why don't I vote somebody who isn't obvious town" you still ended up bringing me to one less than a hammer which is... yikes.

On that matter, the vote doesn't need to be between me and Tevish at all. Because not only should I have posted myself clear multiple times over by now (although from the responses I'm getting I don't think my posts are getting listened to very well and that's part of the reason I'm so frustrated) but there's not really a huge scumcase against Tevish besides "process of elimination".

Amd this is EXACTLY why I'm badgering Tevish to do something instead of going "we should just kill me and this other guy who's posts I'm not reading and I'm sure this will have us win".

Because if Tevish is town then that's obviously awful.

Final Day 1 Vote count.

Aaarrrgh (3): DaRkStAr, Tevish Szat, Zinger
Zinger (1): KoD
CL (3): JD, Aaarrrgh, Duskyblue

Majority is (6).
Minimum to lynch is (3).

This is a very good look for Dusky. Also KoD made a late CL vote as a tiebreaker which is also a pretty good look.

Want to see me clear myself in a few posts? Easy:

"Zinger (2): KoD, Tevish
Faerie (2): Silverfish, Silverfish
Captan_Lunch (1): Darkstar
KoD (3): Zinger, Legacy of Smiles, Faerie

Not voting: Captan_Lunch, Duskyblue"

"Faerie isn't a hit. I would entertain a CL counterwagon."
"I mean if CL is a wolf and their partner was just lazy or inactive them the whole case for them is in tatters."

Dusky votes CL in response to this.

"I will switch to CL over KoD at this point. Faerie shouldn't go over though."

Faerie considers moving to CL after these posts.

I vote CL, putting CL as the lead wagon.

Then Faerie votes CL.


Tl;dr my actions literally triggered the movement off of KoD onto CL. I could have said nothing and KoD would have died that day (or Faerie, I could have just not defended her).

Read page 24!

I am not the person who most scumread CL but I am the person responsible for starting the shift from KoD to CL and the person responsible for following it through and putting CL in the lead.

ALL of the cases against me are nonsense and awful and people are refusing to listen when I try to address them.

Still I'm somehow forced into the PoE and it's like... with the possible exception of Dusky I should be the most cleared player in the thread right now.

My role claim shouldn't be an issue either because I softed / claimed parts of my role on D1 anyway.

Also even if KoD were a wolf vigi I don't think he would shoot his partner? Seems like a weird shot and he could probably have gotten away with shooting me or Faerie for example despite the clearing shot.

It wouldn't make sense for wolf-KoD to throw away such a hard pocket on Silver at all.

I can also fullclaim if necessary.

LoS, I appreciate you giving it another try. I am not ignoring you. What you call 'just semantics' just happens to be one of the ways to catch mafia sometimes, and something I pay attention to. I agree that you seemed townie most of the game. I grew more suspicious after you changed your activity and involvement but I can see it making sense now by how you explained your experience with Darkstar dying and such.

Full claim would be good at this time.

Tevish saying things like we should kill you after / okay with dying could just be him wanting to look townie. Wouldn't be the first mafia trying to look like a martyr. (It does sound genuine though, which is a problem).

I agree that KoD is most likely cleared. But why is Silver? Being hit by a vig should not do that. I keep thinking about what Tevish said about Silver perhaps being mafia immune to vigging to make up for the fact we should have slightly more than 2 (but not 3) mafia. (Or something like that.
Forget the exact wording)
Then again I have a town Impression of him and think the investigation role was kinda weak, so might make up for it...

Faerie, what are your thoughts on Silver / LoS / Tevish beyond your last post?

Yeah the biggest issue is that if it is genuine, it causes us to lose the game because I'm town. Given that I don't explicitly scumread Tevish (just process of elimination) but they're trying to force a "it's him or me" narrative, you can see why I'm trying to deal with this

Silver has been a lot more towny than last time I saw them wolf. Their thought processes all seem very genuine when reading their posts and there's a lot more solving.

I don't think there can be more than two mafia with that balance.

- For the sake of this argument I'm town, you're town.
- We assume silver is vig-immune mafia.
- The above makes KoD lock town.
- That leaves Fairy and Tevish, the former who has a claim that doesn't come from a 3p.
- So... exactly Silver/Tevish? I think this is the only time it would work.

I could see Silver being a bulletproof 3p but that probably still doesn't matter towards wolf hunting right now.

Full claim: As a koopa troops, I'm designed to lose races and die.

- Passively move slower in races when in the top 3 positions (can probably be verified by looking at race descriptions).
- Passively get hit by items instead of players in front of me (possible to verify again most likely if we ask everyone to item claim for every day and look at who gets hit when).
- Can choose to swap two players' partners on death.

I claimed parts of my role throughout the game. I also strongly suggested my role when I originally said I thought CL wanting to win on D1 was towny: this is because my role suggests that there are town roles that benefit from being in the lead (as my role sort of protects the player in the lead as well as encourages me not to be in the lead).

This is also why I was so hung up on what CL claimed.

This is also why I've used no items the last couple days. My role suggests there are probably roles that benefit from winning more than I do and I wanted to not get in the way.

Smiles, you still have the issue in your contradictory responses. It isn't easily explained away, and it is glaring. Despite how clear you think you must be, we get one mislynch before we have to hit correctly.

Whether it is you or Tevish doesn't matter at this point.

And before you start talking again about how you should be clear I'd like to remind you that we (Zinger and myself) incorrectly cleared CL due to the D1 wagons. You switching second onto CL doesn't clear you because you've shown, through your own contradictory responses, the capacity to consider busing CL.


Silver gets town read by me for preemptively sharing his bullet proof status without knowing anything about me (mafia or vig). I'm not considering Silver at all, and shame on you for trying to get him into the PoE.

My PoE is exactly you (Smiles), Tevish, and Faerie; however, we are afforded two shots so the exercise ppl should be considering is which two to have lynched.

I'll help solve something here. We know there was a roleblock via what I claimed. No one else has claimed being block in any sense so, likely, it was CL that potentially was the source. That leaves one other consideration: who disabled Zinger's passive? We know Faerie claimed the ability to restore passives, and Zinger's passive against me was restored. I've said before that it doesn't make sense for Faerie to be the source of the disable as she was allied with Zinger against me. Nor was it Silver as he has already full claimed to me.

Someone intentionally helped keep me around at that time as it was only three votes on me: Zinger, Faerie, and Smiles prior to the CL CFD.

Despite what Smiles says, his vote wasn't crucial. Dusky being the one to swing first got the ball rolling. Smiles unvoting and moving onto CL accomplished one thing for sure -- it put Faerie in the lead to be lynched.

Between Silver and I we had three votes on Faerie, and all of Smiles, Faerie, and Zinger were needed to tie me with Faerie (Zinger's passive was disabled so no double vote that would seal me at 4 votes). At that point if Faerie wanted to live she'd have to switch to CL just to tie her wagon up with her's to have it rand for a chance at living. Tevish, at that time, was still on Zinger which I originally was until switching to Faerie.

Anyway, my vote move from Faerie to CL helped remove the danger to Faerie, and her vote on CL made it 4.

I'm ok with viewing Faerie as town and having my PoE be exactly Smiles or Tevish. Given the passive disable on Zinger and Faerie restoring Zinger's passive, I don't think she is mafia.

I think Smikes can be mafia given how he's been presenting himself and his contradictory responses (the assertion he should be town read and cleared and how he's responded to busing CL or his investment in the game).

Tevish is simply out of my paranoia. He maybe could have been the source of the passive disable. Idk. I do know he's been agreeable to practically all my stances the entire game.


Either way, with my PoE, both should be hit, unless ppl seriously try to expand the PoE. *cough*Smiles*cough*

Also, I see our esteemed host has a sense of humor.

I would like Faerie to full claim. So far everyone has two abilities, but she has only claimed one.

Simile's role sounds very townie... More so than Tevish's if true. I will go look for evidence of it when I get the chance.

I read your post regarding the events you talked about.

While I wasn't actually voting Faerie like I thought I was, I could have easily switched to her if I wanted to force her lynch as opposed to Zinger (given Silver's vote placement).

Your vote did not put CL in the lead, nor was your vote a trigger. At best, as I described, Faerie was forced to moememve her vote to avoid being randed (though I did switch my vote to CL so she was safe from me voting her I'm that final hour due to my willingness to let her live at that point -- a byproduct of my struggle trying to read her).

I stand by my post's content though because you moving your vote is in no way a clear indication you are town given your previous response about busing CL.

Okay, there is evidence Koopa drives poorly and didn't use an item the last 2 laps / after the star.

Restoring passive is the only active ability I have. My passive is I am immune to negative actions except for kills and I didn't even think my passive would even matter.

Smiles posts have been AtE which I am not a fan of. I have already said this before and Tevish joat claim I can also see it being scum. Silver has been very lackluster and at times he comes off as awkward to me. This is my third game playing with Silver and the problem I have with Silver is I always scum read him and in one of the games I played with him he turned out to be scum.

Your refusal to consider out of me/Tevish is incredibly bad play when you do not have any reason to clear the layers out of the PoE (since I have asked multiple times now and am still ignored on this).

I don't think Tevish is a lock wolf. I'm trying to talk about it and you're repeatedly shutting town anything outside of your arbitrary PoE. It's just bad village play and you should feel bad about your absolute refusal to do crap here besides throw the game if Tevish is town.

My vote was indeed crucial but I'll touch on that a moment.