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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:31 pm 
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Oh good. I don't have to worry too much about the words being taken literally.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:34 pm 
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I could promise to backstab KoD if he'd like that.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:49 pm 
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In what form would the "not make each other lose" take?

Because we can still win while dead.

Exactly.

Perhaps too vague.
A simple promise really.

I promise not to kill you.

You promise not to kill me.


Shall we?

*Holds out pinky.*

You know what.... no risk, no fun. Let's do it!

*locks pinkies*

*waits for doom*


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 3:57 pm 
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*Honors the Pinky Promise.*

The promise has been made!


MUWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

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@Sky:

I mean you could, but would it mean anything in this thing we call life?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:01 pm 
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:03 pm 
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I've never felt so bad about someone promising not to kill me.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:14 pm 
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Oh common. It's not like you made a deal with a devil or anything.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:29 pm 
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But maybe you did. Have you considered that?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:35 pm 
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Yes, yes I did. After all, I did make a deal with a former teammate that left me in the ground.

I'd say I know exactly who I made a deal with.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:49 pm 
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Thats cool thats what I need to do. Would anyone want to pinky promise not to vote for me or night kill me? And I'll do the same.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:56 pm 
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@Sky:

I mean you could, but would it mean anything in this thing we call life?

It would bring stability and predictability to what would otherwise be a callous and chaotic universe.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:29 pm 
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That doesn't sound like a good thing. Sounds stale.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 5:37 pm 
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That doesn't sound like a good thing. Sounds stale.

The actual stab itself is incomparably exciting.

Best of both words.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:14 pm 
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I feel like I get the worst of both.


Amber, I'm going to need you to save me from Skystone.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:24 pm 
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@CL: Are you excluding day kills on purpose?

@KoD: :cry:

@Skystone: How about you promise not to use uncommon words?


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 6:51 pm 
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Duskyblue wrote:
@Skystone: How about you promise not to use uncommon words?

This would likely result in a mod-kill for egregious non-compliance.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:26 pm 
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Duskyblue wrote:
@CL: Are you excluding day kills on purpose?

Yes, every contract needs a loophole.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:10 pm 
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Duskyblue wrote:
@CL: Are you excluding day kills on purpose?

Yes, every contract needs a loophole.

What do you say to this:
I promise not to night kill you with any ability I currently possess or am aware of, and you promise not to day kill me.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 9:51 pm 
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I feel like I get the worst of both.


Amber, I'm going to need you to save me from Skystone.

no can do, sorry

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:02 pm 
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Ragnarokio wrote:
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I expected that there would be several players in this game who wouldn't want to make the promises regardless of their alignment, but tevish is not one who i expected to bow out. He's giving mechanical reason to not want to, which makes sense, but given the early gamestate I'm more inclined to take it as indictive of him being mafia rather than him being town and thinking the promises will potentially hurt him anyways.

you're pushing making early promises in a game whose central mechanic is making promises; i don't think his unwillingness to make a promise this early is particularly indictive of being mafia
ill even vote: rag over this actually

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why not make promises that you think you'll be able to keep?

what's the fun in making promises you can't break?


Its obviously because the central mechanis of the game is making promises that i'm pushing making early promises. It would be a strange thing to push for otherwise. In the case of tevish he explained fairly clearly why he didn't want to make a promise this early (because he's afraid of being affected detrimentally either for making it or for breaking it). This leads me to three interpretations

1: Tevish is mafia and knows that he'd break such a promise by making it
2: Tevish has prvilieged information that i don't have which leads him to believe that making the promise isn't safe even though he's fairly confident he won't break it
3: Tevish is coming into the game with the same knowledge that I have, but is interpreting the gamestate and strategy differently than me.

I personally find 3 unlikely because I feel like as vanilla town (i'm not claiming vanilla town) tevish would find this strategy appealing. This means its eitther 1 or 2, and although I think either are feasible, the odds of tevish being mafia are still increased significantly above baseline as a result of 3 not being likely in my eyes.

The fun in making promises you can't break is in cornering scum using them.

i think option 3 can actually be fairly reasonble, though i can't speak for tevish himself

with only public knowledge we know that there is a possibility of making promises and that breaking said promises may have some unforseen consequences
given that we don't know too much about what these consequences are and/or what effects they might have on the game state i think that it makes sense to be cautious about making promises without more information

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