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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 10:38 am 
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You said everyone should always be voting. So I voted.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 12:36 pm 
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You said everyone should always be voting. So I voted.

You think I'm the most suspicious player here? If not and it is just a vote to boast around, who do you think is the most suspicious player?


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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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I'm not sure, I haven't had time for a deep dive analysis. I disliked the KoD wagon from the start, but I'm not sure if we can actually determine any alignments from it. Zinger and CL look the scummiest there, but both of them would definitely do that as either alignment (and regardless of KoD's alignment as well).

Me voting you is mostly just to make a point, but I'll leave it there until there's a reason to move it.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 2:58 pm 
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I am here. I have been reading everything.

Yes, Zinger, I have been lurking. Yes, it was on purpose.

I don't like day 1, and that's even in metas where I know people. Here I know nobody, so it's even worse. If I could get away with lurking until day 2 in every game I played in without a fuss, I would. I feel much better watching others interact without being involved myself. Helps me make connections without distractions.

I can't fault Zinger for calling me out, but this is just how I prefer to play day 1. You'll get more from me day 2, if I live that long.

To answer your question, Zinger, I'm a type A person. Lynching is almost always better than no lynching. To that end, I'm going to Vote: Mongoose, because he said "definitely B", and type B people are simply going to make it more likely we don't get a majority than types A or C. If anyone had said D, I'd be voting them instead.

Aarrgh also said B, but he is willing to lean into C if we pressure him probably.

B is basically a coward's D. They think "I'll only lynch if everyone agrees with me about who to lynch", and that's not how majorities are made.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 3:49 pm 
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It seems you're of eleven minds about everything...

VOTE COUNT: 24 HOURS REMAIN
KoD (2): Rag, CL
CL (1): KoD
Monster (2): HW, Zinger
HW (2): Mongoose, Aaarrrgh
Mongoose (1): Monster

If there are any errors apparent, please bring them to attention.

Currently, No One will be lynched.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 4:34 pm 
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Unvote, Vote: Zinger

JD is probably right about scum not hammering KoD in that situation, thinking about it more.

As much as i hate to say it, KoD then looks good because its a lot easier for a town player to have a fast wagon built on them than a scum wagon

don't feel good about zinger pushing KoD to L-1

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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Monster would have been my choice had she not ceased lurking just now. I also don't like Zinger bringing KoD to the brink, especially with his flippant claim of 'not-being responsible'. I am thus inclined to vote with Rag.

Vote:Zinger

Also, C in the general case. Though, in this particular game, the numbers are such that not lynching results in town receiving one fewer lynch opportunity total. So A in the particular. (Though I suppose I would also 'accept' a lynch on myself in the sense that at least I know town is playing rationally.)


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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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Not really sure what I'm supposed to say in defense of that. You're saying you think I'm scum for pushing KoD to the brink of a fast Day 1 hammer, well, yeah I did that so... Guilty. Not really sure how that's alignment indicative, though. You could argue that its shady and in the absence of anything else that you regard as shady you might as well lynch me, but that's just making excuses.

Besides, if by pushing KoD to the brink the way I did helps you to decide that KoD is probably not mafia, then by extension, isn't it a pro-town thing I did?

I'm not sure your logic adds up, but anyway, there's little I can do to argue against it so I won't.

KoD not being hammered is interesting, but it only means that either KoD is scum or that scum didn't want to out themselves by hammering him. I guess if you mean that scum wanted KoD dead but they didnt want to be the ones to cast the final vote, then they'd probably do whatever they could to put him to L-1. Yeah, I suppose that does make me look bad in hindsight.

This is frustrating.

But two votes does not a majority make, so... *shrug*

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:38 pm 
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I'm a straight B student sadly.


Unvote, Vote: Zinger

But I'm not above trying to better my grades.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:43 pm 
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I'd hardly call pushing someone to L-1 a pro town move. Especially when that wagon was such a meme wagon.

As I've said, CL and you standout on that wagon. CL for his grab at info, you for just wanting me dead (as I'm sure that's why you were doing it). Contrasting your desire with the idea that pushing me to L-1 makes you pro-town is counterintuitive. Especially since it was that early in the game.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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I didn't say it was pro-town. I said if we buy Rag's garbage logic then it would mean it was pro-town.

But I don't really buy the logic.

In any event, KoD, lynching me is a bad move. I've breadcrumbs my role twice already.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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Is it Lyncher Zings? I feel like it's lyncher.

I like how you call Rag's comment of "don't like Zinger pushing KoD to L-1" garbage logic while you're trying to assert that it's interesting that scum didn't just out themselves day 1 to kill KoD for some arbitrary reasoning. If KoD had claimed something worthy of making a 1 for 1 trade then it might be interesting, but with no information on KoD at present it's neither interesting nor surprising that scum wouldn't out themselves to kill a town!KoD.

Anyway those are boring topics. Talk to me goose. Why shouldn't we be lynching you right now?

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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What do you think the chances of a mass claim breaking the game


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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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I am not a lyncher, no.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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@JD simply put, I guess there is no reason for you to not. Given the current game state, however what have I done that makes you feel that I need to be lynched. I have a few pokes at town hunting, works out better for me than trying to scum, right now.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2021 5:04 am 
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I am here. I have been reading everything.

Yes, Zinger, I have been lurking. Yes, it was on purpose.

I don't like day 1, and that's even in metas where I know people. Here I know nobody, so it's even worse. If I could get away with lurking until day 2 in every game I played in without a fuss, I would. I feel much better watching others interact without being involved myself. Helps me make connections without distractions.

I can't fault Zinger for calling me out, but this is just how I prefer to play day 1. You'll get more from me day 2, if I live that long.

To answer your question, Zinger, I'm a type A person. Lynching is almost always better than no lynching. To that end, I'm going to Vote: Mongoose, because he said "definitely B", and type B people are simply going to make it more likely we don't get a majority than types A or C. If anyone had said D, I'd be voting them instead.

Aarrgh also said B, but he is willing to lean into C if we pressure him probably.

B is basically a coward's D. They think "I'll only lynch if everyone agrees with me about who to lynch", and that's not how majorities are made.


I find this whole post super suspect and and also hypocritical. Refusing to contribute info D1 while at the same time demanding that someone get lynched is not a very pro-town thing in my opinion. Basically you are just out for blood while trying to avoid all accountability. The only way to get good info is to give good info.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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@Goose, well there's the fact that in your very first post of day you vote for a player because they hadn't posted yet. Seems pretty hypocritical to me. Also seems like your trying to build an aura of scum hunting without actually scum hunting.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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Aaarrrgh wrote:
M0nster wrote:
I am here. I have been reading everything.

Yes, Zinger, I have been lurking. Yes, it was on purpose.

I don't like day 1, and that's even in metas where I know people. Here I know nobody, so it's even worse. If I could get away with lurking until day 2 in every game I played in without a fuss, I would. I feel much better watching others interact without being involved myself. Helps me make connections without distractions.

I can't fault Zinger for calling me out, but this is just how I prefer to play day 1. You'll get more from me day 2, if I live that long.

To answer your question, Zinger, I'm a type A person. Lynching is almost always better than no lynching. To that end, I'm going to Vote: Mongoose, because he said "definitely B", and type B people are simply going to make it more likely we don't get a majority than types A or C. If anyone had said D, I'd be voting them instead.

Aarrgh also said B, but he is willing to lean into C if we pressure him probably.

B is basically a coward's D. They think "I'll only lynch if everyone agrees with me about who to lynch", and that's not how majorities are made.


I find this whole post super suspect and and also hypocritical. Refusing to contribute info D1 while at the same time demanding that someone get lynched is not a very pro-town thing in my opinion. Basically you are just out for blood while trying to avoid all accountability. The only way to get good info is to give good info.

Unvote; Vote: M0nster


I don't disagree with your take on the validity of the play but i've met several players who by policy don't contribute on day 1, so i don't think its AI, just bad play.

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 Post subject: Re: [Mafia] Psyche Mafia
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Not really sure what I'm supposed to say in defense of that. You're saying you think I'm scum for pushing KoD to the brink of a fast Day 1 hammer, well, yeah I did that so... Guilty. Not really sure how that's alignment indicative, though. You could argue that its shady and in the absence of anything else that you regard as shady you might as well lynch me, but that's just making excuses.


Its AI in theory because i believe town zinger would have been more cautious than scum zinger in that situation. Its not a strong read but its good enough for day 1, I think.

And yes, what you did ended up being pro-town although wasn't necessarily pro-town in theory (KoD could have been lynched or made a claim that hurt town) Being pro-town isn't a strong town-tell though, so even if it were pro-town it wouldn't necessarily indicate you were town.

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