I'm working on a post and will post something within 3 hours. I love my schedule.

Someone had to die. Zinger's death just helps calibrate things a bit.

We know for a fact, barring alignment shenanigans with reveal, that Zinger spoke as truthfully as he could.

Therefore he is likely sane or insane.

As far as I am concerned, Krampus has/had two abilities evident because of my own result switch on myself and Zinger saying a cult attempt against him was made.

More than likely I was culted due to my results now. No, I never received confirmation that I was culted or anything relating to a cult.

I do believe that the only way Krampus can win is by surviving to the end. If he could kill, it would have happened already. Rather, with the shenanigans going on, it's probably a way to balance this out.




Given a nice i itially on myself followed by naughty on myself, zinger, and arrgh I can readily assume I was flipped to paranoid. My results won't help here on out.

Course, there is arrgh to consider. Initial Naughty on CL followed by nice on me, then naghty on me, then nice on Tevish.

CL has gotten 3 nice results.

Tevish has gotten 4 Naughty results.

The only common thing between all of us is that none of us were roleblocked. That is despite Zinger's claim about the attempted cult. We're onto what? 4 days worth of targets? Krampus should have been able to target everyone one.

Where I'm going with this is fractured.

Arrgh and I, if honest, have flipped results. CL and Tevish do not.

Krampus, presumably, doesn't want to target the remaining sane/insane Santa as that'll confirm them.

Zinger as sane implies CL, but CL was one of two with Nice results. Likely Zinger was insane. CL would be sane and Tevish would be clear leaving Arrgh as the culprit.

Krampus has to fit in somewhere.

Arrgh, your results were Naughty, nice, Naughty, nice on CL, me, me, trvish yes?

I'm on mobile, so I can't be bothered to go back and check right now, but as far as I can remember off the top of my head, that's correct.

Which, looking only at my own results and assuming KoD joined the cult after I first checked him (which unfortunately doesn't match his own claims), could make me sane and CL krampus, but that probably doesn't fit everyone else's results (as mentioned, only working off of memory right now).

I am utterly lost and confused. In theory, both of the Santas who could be culted should already be so. But the game hasn't ended. Which means either krampus has not used his abilities well, or turning the majority is not enough to win. Does krampus have to win through lynching?

Frankly, I am not really enjoying this game. This does not feel like dethy anymore. I will of course see this through to its conclusion, but I can feel myself disengaging. To me, the main appeal of dethy is that the setup is at least mostly open and solvable. This is not the game I signed up to play.

Lol

I forget. Didnt the n0 results say it was kod. I think we can trust the n0 results

This is exactly the game you signed up for. It is still a puzzle to be solved. Every year it has differed to make it different as opposed to what is normally expected. With this being a once a year tradition, it is a challenge to look forward to.


That being said, I am fully confident not everyone has been targeted by Krampus wrt to the cult ability. Likely this is because, with Zinger having been flipped, Lrampus would only confirm that Santa to the rest of us.

I fully expect the cult ability messes with results. What I'm not sure on is if it manipulates results in the target as well.

N0 we can assume, maybe, that all results are true (otherwise it makes it that much harder to problem solve -- but hey, that's always fun).

N0 results:

Arrgh - CL, Naughty
CL - Zinger, Nice
KoD - KoD, Nice
Tevish - KoD, Naughty
Zinger - CL, Naughty

With three Naughty results, it is likely Krampus lied about having a Naughty result meaning he is among Zinger, Tevish, or Arrgh. With only two Nice results, it is likely CL and I are the Sane/Naive.

N1 results:

Arrgh - KoD, Nice
CL - Zinger, Nice
KoD - KoD, Naughty
Tevish - Tevish, Naughty
Zinger - CL, Naughty

It is at this point we confirm no global switch of results due to CL and Zinger. Yet, with my result, it seems an individual switch may have occurred. It is fair to assume. Given that later we'll see a Zinger Santa claim the cult shenanigans, we can assume Krampus did target a player to cult though what that looks like may be a mystery. Personally, given my perspective, I never received a cult message in any form whether it be about my alignment or otherwise. I trust if the remaining Santa (that is paranoid) can speak similarly, then it is likely the cult ability doesn't convert us to a krampus alignment wherein we have to work with Krampus. The alignment may still be affected though as far as the sane/insane Santa go.

That is, taking me and Arrgh as the example, a Naive me gets culted. My results flip to that of the opposite sanity (thus all the Naughty results). Meanwhile, as a cult alignment, any sane/insane result on me kicks back a rrsult appropriate for a Krampus result. Thus to a sane Santa i would be scum and to an insane I'd look nice.

Here is where it gets tricky though. I dont know if that is the case since Zinger never investigated me and he was also roleblocked. CL has yet to investigate me.

CL has investigated Tevish at this late stage though. And it is a nice result. There is no way CL is insane (Zinger would have been Krampus). And with a nice result on Tevish at this point, it is likely the alignment portion of what I theorized may not exist or be temporary.

I speak on this because if there is no alignment effect to the kramous cult for a person that is targeting someone, then reasonably Arrgh would have to be Krampus.

Arrgh's results alternating as much as they have means he is constantly being targeted, or he is lying about his results.

Course with Tevish having no flipped results, Kra.pus didn't target him which seems odd.

I need to think through the targeting.

Me N1, Zinger N2, Arrgh N3?

Implications.

There you go, CL. Being a champ.

I know its so simple.

Another thing to consider about N0 results is that all three of the naughty results were claimed first. Which means it is also quite possible one of us if sane and hit scum, and that krampus was then forced to claim a nice result to avoid hard clearing a player. The major issue here is that Zinger and I had the same target and the same result, which seems impossible. And that's the part I can't explain. By all accounts, this cannot be true if zinger was either sane or insane, since I have had alternating results. But Zinger was told that he had to be either sane or insane. Which means either this game is ultra bastard, or my results are wildly incorrect. I course cannot prove that I haven't been lying, but if I was, why would I be lying so badly? At least yesterday there was a reasonable explanation for my confusion (the theory that results on KoD were reversed), today there is nothing which can explain my result. This is 100% wifom, but it's all I have at this point. I have been perfectly framed to the point where even I can draw no other conclusion from the public evidence, but still I have a role pm telling me I'm Santa. And that's why I don't like this game.

Well here is the thing.

We know for a fact that Krampus has multiple abilities. Granted part of this is from my perspective, but my rsult switch and later Zinger's claim is proof to me that Krampus did two, separate moves.

In Zinger's case an attempt to cult him was made, failed, and he was roleblocked. Stands to reason the culting is the replacement of killing. Only, given this stage of the game, the culting isn't as simple as turning someone into an ally least the game end too quickly. Instead, Zinger was roleblocked due to not being able to be culted.

That is verifiable proof that not everyone has been targeted by Krampus. Otherwise, the other Santa opposite Zinger would've had a similar reaction.

Trying to narrow down who was targeted is what I want to do.

In your case Arrgh, perhaps you are paranoid.

I'll explain.

First result on CL was Naughty. Then you targeted me when I was presumably culted. Mr being culted probably flipped my results (into paranoid). You targeting me probably caused you to get the opposite result (nice in this case).

We know Zinger was targeted next. Likely as the suspected Paranoid. Except he wasn't. At the same time, you got a naughty on me again (an indication that the alignment return on an afflicted target was temporary). We lynch Zinger, go into the next night, and you suddenly return a nice result. Perhaps because you were culted and are now naive.

Thats the working theory. Though it hinges on one thing.

You guys, this game was over like three days ago, you just haven't realized it yet.

OK.

Assumptions: Everything Zinger said was basically correct: True North Santas (Sane and Insane) are immune to culting and are informed and roleblocked if targeted. Other Santas can be indoctrinated into the cult, with unknown results. For now, the assumption is that the indoctrination changes the results of both incoming and outgoing investigations.

Theory: Both KoD and I are compromised Santas (with, apparently, a lot of rules baggage), one of CL and Tevish is a True North Santa, the other is Krampus.

If Tevish is Krampus: Zinger was insane, CL is sane. Oh, except CL investigated Tevish and got Nice. In fact, I am CL's only Naughty result, which would make think CL is trying to frame me, but...

If CL is Krampus: Zinger was sane. This would make Tevish insane. But Tevish has a Naughty result on CL. This doesn't work either.

Theory: I am a True North Santa and my results are messed up due to my targets (specifically KoD) being compromised. Fact: Zinger and I got the same result on CL N0, before any switching took place. Conclusion: this is also not possible.

Thus, from my perspective, unless Zinger was somehow completely wrong, KoD is the only possible Krampus, while CL is sane (and got an incorrect result on me due to me being compromised).

But then again, maybe Zinger was wrong...

Lets lynch KoD. Whats Tevish say?

I disagree with lynching KoD. He is not a possible Krampus. From D1 (which we assume is non-tampered)


Since we know I'm Paranoid and not Sane, KoD cannot be Krampus. Period.


I'm not the Insane cop. Even if we assume Aaarrrgh's later results are tampered, there's too much evidence against this.


Here we have a possible scenario. Under this, I'm the Paranoid cop, while Zinger was insane -- something we already assumed to be possible. That leaves KoD and CL. In this case KoD would have been Naive and tampered while CL is sane and hasn't investigated Aaarrrgh. This is fully consistent.

Aaarrrgh is the only viable lynch at this stage.

EBWOP: CL's investigation was Naughty on Aaarrrgh today he said.

The noose tightens.

VOTE: AAARRRGH

Every Santa needs to get on this.

Yeah. This game officially sucks. Because Tevish is making all of the right conclusions based on available data, and yet the answer is wrong. So please lynch me. I want no part of this farce.

Since the data is obviously useless, my gut feeling read is that CL is Krampus, but that's probably just because of his flippant attitude. I'm honestly tempted to just vote myself here and be done with it.