Naw, it requires only one of you to be lying. I've said many times we don't know how the Kult works, and you or KoD could very well be a member of the Krazy Kult without your knowledge. That's entirely possible, from where I'm sitting.

But of course, you wouldn't bother bringing that up because your case on me hinges on the alleged requirement that you must both be lying.

We don't know that D1's results weren't tampered with, to be honest.

There's a lot we don't know. Krampus' toolset seems to defy all precedents this game, what with there being a cult and no kills so far. I think it'd be foolish to assume Krampus hasn't been busy, to be honest. I know that if I was Krampus, I'd use an ability every chance I got, and I can't assume anyone else would willingly do differently.

If only one of us is lying, then that person also manipulated the other's results. Which is a lot of power for cult to have. Also, I feel like the very idea of the cult as Zinger has presented it is heavily flawed from a design standpoint. Having half of the game be not only immune to cult, but also be told that there was an unsuccessful cult attempt at them makes cult quite weak, but on the other hand, if Krampus managed to hit both of the vulnerable people with his first two shots the game would have already been over, before the day when dethy games traditionally do their first lynch. Basically, at the risk of outguessing the mod, I don't think there would be such a swingy mechanic in this game.

I'm fully willing to believe that there is a cult potentially.

What I'm not willing to believe is that I was culted, or that the cult ability can be used on conjunction with something that alters results as well (unless it was the ability of the cult).

Between Arrgh and I we know something happened to me that affected our results. If I was cult, then sure. Who is the Krampus then? I can't reasonably see it being Arrgh as he had every opportunity to go after CL if he had truly culted me. Tevish did make a push for CL, but it was on the basis that I was clear as a Santa at the time. Now he's come to the conclusion, based on Zinger's claims, that it has to be Arrgh (despite me being Sane as a possibility).

Perhaps Zinger was the Paranoid one that got culted, and he's been projecting onto us all along? As Insane, your results on me do make sense, Arrgh (considering the flip that happened to my own result and then your latest result). And as Sane, it explains why I still got a Naughty result outside of myself on someone else (confirming that I can't be Naive or Paranoid).

After all, the best lies are based in truth.

I am going to bed. We'll see what the game looks like when I wake up.

For the record, and I've said this multiple times, we don't even know that there is a cult in the traditional sense. This "krazy kult of krampus" could be anything. You're *assuming* it means a traditional cult, but I don't know that it is and I was the one who friggin' came forward with the info. So all this "I doubt the mod would put that in the game" is based on what, exactly? You doubt the mod would put what in the game, exactly? Cuz I don't know what Krampus' Kult does, so how the heck do you?

This entire game you and KoD both have been guilty of making unfounded assumptions and I keep pointing it out as being unfounded but you both seem to ignore that. Which, doesn't surprise me all that much give one of you is probably Krampus and making these unfounded assumptions in order to try and lead the discourse in a direction that screws over the Santas.

This game does not follow the standard that the previous four have. You don't have to believe my Kult claim to see that. There have been no deaths, and you're still operating under the assumption that Krampus is working with a standard "Kill every night except N0, and then also have a one-shot power"; that's a ridiculous assumption to make given the evidence. Even if you don't believe my Kult claim, you can't ignore that Krampus hasn't killed anybody, which means he's been busy doing something other than killing for three friggin' Nights in a row. All of your theories fall apart because they all seem to neglect the fact that your results have been unquestionably tampered with to a degree those of us who aren't Krampus can probably only begin to guess at.

Heck, maybe there is no Kult and the PM I got was just a power that purposefully lies to the recipient to make them paranoid and think they are Sane/Insane. We don't friggin' know! But you're acting like you do. And that tells me more than anything else that Tevish is probably right and you're Krampus.

You're an idiot.

I hope Krampus' Krazy Kult doesn't actually change your win condition, it just convinces you to help with his, that way you still lose when he wins.

Unfounded assumptions. Coming from the guy claiming cult exists. The same guy who also claims other, unfounded, theories to explain away any wrongdoing on his part.

You know, if you're right and I am Krampus, then you're probably safe to no lynch another day and do another round of investigations. If you're wrong and I am not Krampus, lynching me is about the worst call you can make.

Logically, if you believe the way you do, you should No Lynch.

But you're not doing things logically, you're pushing a Naughty agenda.

Or I could prevent you from having another night to maybe cult someone else to your side like you did Tevish already.


How about them apples?

btw Zinger,

when you say, "If I'm Krampus and you're right," you are acknowledging that I, in my own perspective, am being sincere in everything I've asserted. Not just in the theory, but the claims leading to the theory.

That is, to imagine you are Krampus and I am right, you'd have to accept that I did receive the results I received. It also completely undermines you as CL would literally have to be Naive whereas I would be Sane, and Arrgh/Tevish are I/P in some manner. That's what we've been saying the whole time. So, in the end, there is no reason to not lynch you as far as we are concerned.

You want a chance to do something. That much is certain. Given all the cult talk you've been doing, that's probably what you're angling at. You want a chance to compromise CL here as he has to be the Naive Santa. That way you'd go into tomorrow with CL on your side along with Tevish. Then you'd have the majority to force a lynch.

You see why that can't be allowed, yes?

You adopt a much cockier tone when you think you're about to have your way, you know that?

The worst part is when you're proven wrong and you've cost the Santas the game, you're not even going to admit your own hubris cost us the game. You'll say something to the effect of "Well, it was the best decision given the information we had at the time."

Which is dumb. You know you're operating on incomplete info, and yet you're willing to move forward anyway as if that's the best decision to make just because it appeared to be the best decision at the time.

I don't even know why I am arguing with you at this point.

I'd be operating on incomplete info no matter what.

You want me to believe you. You NEED me to believe you. That's why you're trying to appeal to me the way you are.

But that doesn't erase the fact that, given that I have incomplete info, I am making the best decision based on what ***I*** know.

You're not the only person capable of being honest here. Arrgh could be honest about everything. Tevish could be too. CL just the same. By virtue of me looking at this through my own eyes, I have no reasonable reason to doubt myself. And I swear, if you throw the whole, "But you could be culted and not know it," at me one more time, then you are truly lost/Krampus because you're not even considering the same for yourself.

You know full well that applying anything to me the way you apply it to yourself means you have to be lying from my perspective. For example, you treat yourself as having accurate results on CL, but don't consider that your own results may be flipped. Instead, you only consider yourself as Sane or Insane because, by your own words, a cult attempt failed on you strictly because you are a "true north star" santa or something. That you are either the Sane or Insane Santa, thus you are immune to culting. You ***can't*** apply that to me because it proves you are wrong. You can't accept that I may be Sane because it proves you are Krampus.

Thus, you throw rocks. You say I must have been culted already. That I'm lying. That my results are perma tampered. Anything other than the simple fact that I may be right.


Way I see it, I see no downside to you being lynched. You're Kramps, or you're a lying cultist.

Investigated Aaarrrgh. Predictably, he was naughty.

Oddly enough, I didn't get culted in the night. Or at least, I wasn't informed of any culting action used on me.

Arrgh is also Naughty to me.

At this point I have to assume that my sanity was perma switched.

I also investigated aaarrgh
He is super naughty

Well, I got a Nice result on Tevish.

I also got egg on my face, and I owe Zinger an apology. I don't know what the heck is going on, and I don't like it.