No votes placed at all means scum can literally snipe the lynch. Period. There's no if and or but about it. The only way to ***maybe*** prevent a snipe is if someone is around and able to react when someone places a vote (and that in and of itself comes down to how close to deadline you're going to wait for whoever it is to make a move and, maybe, respond in time before deadline hits).

Votes placed means voting where the votes are placed as opposed to where they are not placed (because, again, a lynch happens on whoever has the most votes). What this means, ideally, is that you'd have votes placed on two players who have enough creatures to block. As an example, take Arrgh and whoever has two creatures on board (let's say BlueJay though they only have feral hydra -- come to think of it I don't think anyone else has two creatures on board, but that's not the point of the scenario). In this scenario let's say CL (I assume it is CL that has a creature) and Tevish (he's the other if I'm not mistaken) both swing at the Arrgh and BlueJay (one each). No blocks. Votes go through. There is now a tie vote on two players that each have two creatures. If scum want a vote on them, they'd have to swing through those creatures (which in and of itself is a risk that would not play out well since both Arrgh and BlueJay can effectively block twice thereby assuring the scum would be caught).

That situation makes the most sense in this game.

The alternative is no votes go out and, possibly, when deadline hits someone sneaks a vote on that can't be blocked in time (I imagine you have to confirm an intent to block in order to prevent a vote from going through from an attacking creature). The only way this would backfire is if Zinger handles the attacking and blocking in such a way where he let's players respond to the attack despite deadline (ie. someone attacks in the last 30 seconds and deadline passes before a posted/messaged response, but Zinger let's the attacked player respond to the attack thereby foiling the whole thing).

Without having asked for confirmation yet on how that is handled (and assuming deadline is absolute), then the ideal situation is what I stated first. So, again, Tevish does not look good in my view concerning all this.


The ONLY thing I'll yield here concerns Rag. Rag has stated the ability to vote, but, as far as we know, may not have creatures. That would be the only danger to a vote tie (though, for the sake of argument, worrying about one player is a lot better than worrying about many others).

Besides, the whole "let town with resources hold onto them just in case" does no good if, for example, someone attacks a player with no creatures to block with. What's Arrgh or BlueJay going to do, block for those without? No. So you have a vote going out for sure with no way to impede it.


Or, to put it bluntly, Tevish sus.

Your original suggestion was that everybody with creatures vote though, and that's what tevish responded to.

Votecount 2.4

Deadline in 90 mins.

KoD's latest clarification makes sense, but it feels like it's too late to coordinate it now. I'm here, keeping an eye out for any surprises.

Discarding 1 island.

Vote: KoD

I don't like the position towns in and i've decided this play is in the best interest of the town

apologies if we lose the game on this.

vote:

... Nah, just kidding.

Crap, didn't see Rag's post!

vote: rag (beloved Princess)

Can't let you do that, rag. Very scummy.

Pretty sure you're post deadline Aaarrrgh.

We'll see how Zinger rules it. Really annoyed that I somehow didn't see Rag's post before i made my stupid meme post. That was just the worst timing, and I'm really upset with myself.

Also upset with everyone else who didn't even try to get in here to prevent this from happening.

Votecount 2.5

KingofDominaria (1): Ragnarokio

KingofDominaria has been Lynched. He was Town Aligned. Day 2 has ended, it is now Night 2. You may not post at Night or cast spells that aren't Instants or don't have Flash. Night 2 lasts until noon tomorrow EST.

Creatures in play: Alela, Artful Provocateur, Beloved Princess, Fblthp, the Lost, Feral Hydra, Feral Hydra, Feral Hydra, Linden, the Steadfast Queen

It's a pretty sad day for the Town. You wake up at the dawn of Day to find BlueJay dead. Murdered by the Mafia. They were Town Aligned.

With BlueJay's death, the Mafia team has reached parity and achieved their win condition.

MAFIA TEAM EMERGES VICTORIOUS

They were Tevish Szat and Captan_Lunch.
Mafia chat:
https://discord.gg/MkBhEzGFZz

The game has ended.

Here's the full design file:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Well, that was fun, if quick. In hindsight, the Mafia team may have had too much power. A team NK in a 9 player game is a brutal thing to see in action, as it put the Town in LyLo basically on Day 2.

BlueJay was the Town Cop, although they ironically never managed to draw any of their alignment revealing cards.
Shadow amber was a Town Prince, able to reveal their alignment to others via certain cards.
Tevish Szat was Mafia Godfather, able to hide his alignment with one card.

Everyone else was basically vanilla town or mafia. Y'all had powers that were based on the decks submitted, yes, but those powers were carefully crafted to have a negligible impact on the game outside of letting you move your votes around after you placed them or maybe having a 1-shot doc power that might come up if you drew the right cards or something like that.

Rag! Why would you do that?! Even if we had had a doc to save us during the night, there is no way anyone other than you would get lynched!

Side note: I don't like games with hard deadlines and no way to skip lynches. If there was something like a grace period of five minutes after the last placed vote just to avoid the situation we got, I would have enjoyed this a lot more.

"Was that it?"

7 player games are short as heck. Maybe if we had 8 players it might have lasted to Day 3...

I probably would have just removed their parity clause. Especially with the complexities on voting. Parity is usually based on the motion that mafia has reached a point where the town has lost the ability to create a majority lynch on them and this cannot surmount the odds against them any longer, which this voting system almost negates entirely.

Yeah. I had to remind myself that there was that rule as this is one game where town could theoretically have gotten the lynch in 2:2. I mean, this game I doubt it would have happened because if we played out d3 Aaarrrgh would almost certainly have agreed with lynching Rag, but in another circumstance maf with an anemic board might actually be ousted. Things to remember for the next iteration.

I learned a lesson this game.

Vote early, vote often?

i imagined the game would be over if i hit town with my vote and so how town would react to me stealing the lynch didn't matter. (if i hit scum it would probably reflect well on me)

as for why i did it, it more or less worked out like this:

going into tomorrow we'd have 5 players alive, 2 of which were scum. If town misvoted once the game would potentially be over. The gamestate becomes a lot more complex because of the way voting works and could either become more precarious or less, but i didn't think it was a good look in any scenario.

On the other hand, if i controlled the lynch single-handedly, it would give a ~1/3 chance of hitting scum, which seemed to me better than the towns odds going into tomorrow.

the only thing i wasn't sure about were what kind of abilities the town and scum had.

I was also expecting the mafia might try something similar to me, although in retrospect if they had done that we would have just lost