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Honestly? In this specific case, the context is a significant factor. I had for quite a long time as my avatar a character that I would RUN from if she was a real person (Vriska), and I completely get your point.

I have certain views of racy topics (as we discussed in another thread), and witnessing the story of someone's ingrained "morals" bite back and ruin genuine, fun relationships is painful. It's a character flaw, but one that leads away from adult fun (one of the reasons for that comic to exist) and one I find unpleasant to live vicariously, not cathartic as other bad behavior can be. So far from me saying that Alfie is Worst Girl or whatever, it's just that I look forward to Vera's scenes more than the caravan's.

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Yeah, sorry, I was probably speaking a bit too generally, I didn't mean to lump you in with the same people that, for instance, say Azula is an awful character because she was mean a lot of the time. I stand by that there seem to be a lot of people out there that think that way, though.

In my case, it took a long while for any of the characters to grow on me, because I'm a bit of a prude and don't really get a lot of people's opinions about said racy topics. I haven't had the kinds of interpersonal relationships to allow me to relate to those kinds of struggles.

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I've started watching Akame Ga Kill and boy howdy is it a trashy show. I'm in the mood for it, so it's fine, but my god is it ever unironically cheesy.

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I haven't had the kinds of interpersonal relationships to allow me to relate to those kinds of struggles.

I can relate exactly because establishing anything beyond friendship is excruciatingly hard for me. Going as far as Alfie did and then relapsing in the same bigoted/closed-off toxic dynamics*, losing treasured relationships in the process, is not a pleasant spectacle for yours truly. Soooo basically I relate too much to Alfie for my own enjoyment of her current stage of the arc? :D

*to each their level of sexual openness; Alfie's problem is peer pressure, not sexuality overload.

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I've started watching Akame Ga Kill and boy howdy is it a trashy show. I'm in the mood for it, so it's fine, but my god is it ever unironically cheesy.

Is it a new thing on Netflix or something? My friend also said he watched it the other day, and he doesn't really watch much anime. And yeah, the first episode sets expectations pretty well.
Speaking of Netflix shows, I watched Great Pretender during the weekend. It's sort of like a series of heist movies, or at least how I imagine heist movies to be, without having watched any. It was pretty entertaining, I'd say it was overall quite good, my largest complaint is probably that it sticks too strongly to its concept, which prevents it from exploring scenarios that I would have liked to see play out.

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I've started watching Akame Ga Kill and boy howdy is it a trashy show. I'm in the mood for it, so it's fine, but my god is it ever unironically cheesy.

Is it a new thing on Netflix or something? My friend also said he watched it the other day, and he doesn't really watch much anime. And yeah, the first episode sets expectations pretty well.
Speaking of Netflix shows, I watched Great Pretender during the weekend. It's sort of like a series of heist movies, or at least how I imagine heist movies to be, without having watched any. It was pretty entertaining, I'd say it was overall quite good, my largest complaint is probably that it sticks too strongly to its concept, which prevents it from exploring scenarios that I would have liked to see play out.

I'm not sure if it's new on NEtflix, but I can vouch that it's on there.

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This one made me smile:

“... So what you’re saying is that, somewhere in the world, at this moment, it is raining goblins.”


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“... So what you’re saying is that, somewhere in the world, at this moment, it is raining goblins.”

This could be a phrase to describe both terrible but mundane weather and a surreal and certainly dire precipitation of actual life forms. I love it.

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TPmanW wrote:
I've started watching Akame Ga Kill and boy howdy is it a trashy show. I'm in the mood for it, so it's fine, but my god is it ever unironically cheesy.

I remember the ending saving that show for me, because I'm a sucker for that particular kind of ending (spoilers so I won't say it here), but I have legitimately forgotten 99% of that show, which I feel speaks as much to its quality as if I went on one of my normal analyses/rants. It's kind of a shame, too, because I occasionally remember the nickname Bitchtits McFrostqueen and have to wrack my brain to remember who the hell that is.


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TPmanW wrote:
I've started watching Akame Ga Kill and boy howdy is it a trashy show. I'm in the mood for it, so it's fine, but my god is it ever unironically cheesy.

I remember the ending saving that show for me, because I'm a sucker for that particular kind of ending (spoilers so I won't say it here), but I have legitimately forgotten 99% of that show, which I feel speaks as much to its quality as if I went on one of my normal analyses/rants. It's kind of a shame, too, because I occasionally remember the nickname Bitchtits McFrostqueen and have to wrack my brain to remember who the hell that is.

She's also known as Icetits McGee

but yeah, kind of the only enjoyable character for me.
I do think it amusing how WILDLY off kilter the gecko ending is.

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She's also known as Icetits McGee

but yeah, kind of the only enjoyable character for me.
I do think it amusing how WILDLY off kilter the gecko ending is.

I'm sorry, gecko? Is that something in the show which I am forgetting, or is this some kinda hip slang I'm not aware of?


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She's also known as Icetits McGee

but yeah, kind of the only enjoyable character for me.
I do think it amusing how WILDLY off kilter the gecko ending is.

I'm sorry, gecko? Is that something in the show which I am forgetting, or is this some kinda hip slang I'm not aware of?

A gecko ending happens when an adaptation catches up to the published material so the team writing the show has to formulate their own ending.

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A gecko ending happens when an adaptation catches up to the published material so the team writing the show has to formulate their own ending.

Ah. I've never come across that usage before.

It's kind of a shame, too, as I specifically remember the ending being really good for me (I actually had multiple long discussions with a friend about whether the ending was actually good), because I was kind of over the show by that time. I can't say I was bored of it -- in part because I can't remember well enough to say that I was, and also in part because I don't really have that reaction -- but it was so middling that I never wanted it to keep going on. It had a nice wrap-up, tying together a lot more loose threads than most anime do, which was nice for me.

But I don't think the ending was too terribly off-theme, from what I can remember. At least, no moreso than the domestic episodes.


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TPmanW wrote:
I've started watching Akame Ga Kill and boy howdy is it a trashy show. I'm in the mood for it, so it's fine, but my god is it ever unironically cheesy.

I remember the ending saving that show for me, because I'm a sucker for that particular kind of ending (spoilers so I won't say it here), but I have legitimately forgotten 99% of that show, which I feel speaks as much to its quality as if I went on one of my normal analyses/rants. It's kind of a shame, too, because I occasionally remember the nickname Bitchtits McFrostqueen and have to wrack my brain to remember who the hell that is.

The latter half was much stronger. I think it was mostly due to better character drama. Everyone is introduce as a shallow cliché, but a few end up getting fleshed out. Not so many fights where one guy stands with their guard up while the other person repeatedly attacks their crossed arms/weapon. People aren't misgauging their opponents so badly (when Esdeath is first introduce it's said that "even she'll take a year" to put down the rebellion in the north, but she personally finishes off the entire army by the end of the episode) and there's less contradictary information (Imperial Arms were introduced as a "now that you know we'll have to kill you"-type secret, but afterward we see people casually mention them to total strangers). Plenty of characters just don't act in ways a person would ever act, but it goes from annoying early on to entertaining later. It's still a black and white story about a bunch o nutjobs in a poorly thought out world, but towards the end it got fun in a totally sincere way.

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I've now watched Highschool of the Dead twice over, and have plans to go read the manga (what exists of it since the author passed away some time ago and his artist stated in no uncertain terms that he would not be continuing the story in his stead), and I have thoughts on it.

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In conclusion: Highschool of the Dead sucks, I'm obsessed with it. Send help.

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The latter half was much stronger. I think it was mostly due to better character drama.

Do I take that to mean that you've reached the ending? Can I talk about it freely yet?


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@Luna:
I mean, yes, AoT preys upon the exact GRIMDARK that is manufactured for sophomoric endeavors, largely disguising itself with some political intrigue that even the HotD girls would be embarassed to wear it's so non-existent.
It's pretty true to Akame ga Kill in the exact same fashion, misattributing cheap kills and thrills as to carry emotional weight (though far more so early on). But I mean, if your jam is trashy grimdark shows, I could toss out a LOT of contenders cut from the same cloth. Gantz immediately springs to mind, but I'm also amused because even the mangaka seems embarrassed by it in retrospect. He went out of his way in a later series to just rip on it for a bit.

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But I mean, if your jam is trashy grimdark shows, I could toss out a LOT of contenders cut from the same cloth.


The thing is, I specifically don't enjoy it in the manner I'd normally say makes something "enjoyable." It doesn't summon up the rage inside of me that AoT does,* but it has that same draw for me that makes me want to dig in as much as I can to figure out why does it suck so much? I'm spurred on not by a love for the show, but by a morbid fascination that, honestly, is helping me sort out some long-standing personal moral dilemmas.

Helping with sorting out moral dilemmas, I discovered that the Ghost Stories dub is on Crunchyroll, so... I'm laughing and cringing at that. Oddly enough, I'm finding myself already really interested in the alternate reality where we got a more faithful localization, because even after two episodes this feels like something I would have been all over as a kid if it had had a more Digimon-like treatment (not that Digimon was a great dub/localization, but it was decent and preserved a lot more than anything that 4Kids touched).



*in part because HotD doesn't try to take itself nearly as seriously as AoT does and doesn't have the cult-like following that causes me to lash back at it, and partly because I can recognize the other pieces that HotD brings to the table that I cannot read (such as the pop culture references)


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I'm fully aware that you obviously hate the shows, but there are people who honestly enjoy hating something. I could probably name a few series that I more enjoy feeling that dark well in my breast than I would actually watching something I only mildly like

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While I suppose it's possible, this is only the second thing, ever, that I've both disliked and kept wanting to watch more of. My list of disregarded series (which this falls under) is short, and I generally just don't have that kind of burning passion in me. I wouldn't even necessarily use the word "hate" here, but that's probably just me being pedantic again.

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