I am also fine with just starting another game and waiting for inactive people in this game to eventually post.

You can also just let me murder everybody.

im fine with whatever honestly, i don't think we coordinated who was culting so im pretty sure either everyone's just sitting around doing nothing or a couple peolpe are just culting in a circle or something

Everyone absolutely is just sitting around doing nothing. It is quite infuriating as a mod to watch. Nobody has culted anyone in like 8 in-game days. The game is stagnating because none of you are playing toward your win-con. You have this unrealistic pipe dream that some tiered multi-headed cult victory is possible, and you're waiting out for the master plan to be enacted, but also you're relying on someone else to do it, and frankly it's just about the dumbest thing I have ever seen.

The only person who played toward his win-con this game was JayDreven, who has for sure already earned my MVP vote despite it no longer being possible for him to win.

Yeah, I think I've had enough. The game is over. You all lose.

Peaceful cults. Jeez. I never would have thought I'd see the day.

I was playing towards my wincon by not culting imo.

We just needed literally a single person (and no one else) to actually cult people.

Well, if you think you were playing toward your win con by not culting, your opinion is just plain wrong. It is impossible to achieve your win con the way you were playing. Some combination of culting, lynching, and/or killing is required to achieve your wincon of having, in your case, only Tevish-Cult-Aligned players left alive. Since you were not killing or culting anybody, you were taking zero steps to advance that goal.

good shot everyone

we almost had it

I think this all was just an allegory of hubris and nihilism, believing our actions could effect change.

If he was culting he'd be actively taking steps against that goal though. Its also possible for him to win the way he was playing.

From a game theory perspective I'm pretty sure the strongest strategy, discounting unknown abilities, is to mutually agree on having one person cult, and then wait until the game ends via that person culting everyone, while everyone else does nothing. Killing and culting on your own decreases the probability of you winning because you're now at risk of being killed or being the target of a cult ability that leaves you in a cult that doesn't end up winning the game. Any individual has a higher win chance by cooperating rather than by competing, so it should be the case that a set of perfect players would all choose to cooperate, which results in every player but one playing the way rubik was.

My alignment wasn't likely Rubik-cult, though. By adding anyone to Rubik cult, I'd be working against whatever alignment I was.

That's because you placed your eggs in an absolute basket. Which you did on faith that there wouldn't be a role in the game whose win con wouldn't be compatible with such a plan. Which if everybody stayed OG you could take that to the bank, but everybody's third tier ability allowed that to possibly be thrown out the window, which is why I promoted recruiting and immediately killing anybody that might be suspected of having a differing win con.

Remember when I said I wanted status reports from the assigned cult leader? This is why.

Also, I was at least trying to play to wincon. It got me killed.

I felt this was going well when I was the assigned cult leader pre-JDgate, and while JD was alive providing an escape option; when Freddeh stepped up I was kind of at a loss: if I contested his desire to be the "leader", that would natually place us in a death match and my situation was mud. I culted, I believe, twice after that before thinking to check if I was doing some apocalyptic nonsense that would still win the game on JD's wincon, but on finding Tevish Cult (admittedly a fairly large one) I opted to not resist Freddeh in order to avoid being potentially found to still be culting by a track/watch role, because if I was lynched my odds of winning would be close to nil.

Once it became politically expedient, I started to push for lynches to accelerate matters and remove variables. As a total vanilla with no 3rd ability, I felt a little in over my head, to be honest.

If the game mod says it was impossible to win the way you was playing, and you disagree with the game mod's assessment of that, it's probably safe to say the game mod is right and you have a flawed understanding of the setup.

Sure, that all makes reasonable sense, if you can a) confirm the one player who is culting is actually on your team and avdancing your goal, and b) confirm that everyone cooperates with that goal, and c) confirm that there are no unknown abilities at play interfering with that goal. All three of which were not confirmed or even close to correct when y'all just decided "we're going to sit here and wait for a victory that will never come, relying on someone who is definitely not on my team to do the work for me."

its clear that the way the game was being played the game wasn't going to end, but that's not entirely on rubik. the game could easily have ended despite rubik playing the way he did. I doubt you designed a game that gave rubik the ability to forcefully stall it, although it may have been impossible to win by doing nothing and i just don't understand the game design correctly. As far as i could tell, if, for instance I, had culted rubik and then proceeded to cult or kill ever other living player, then rubik would have won the game, even without doing anything. This is more likely an issue with us considering the phrase "It is impossible to acheive your win-conthe way you were playing" differently than it is me misunderstanding something, but its also possible its the latter.



My goal was just to end up in the same cult as whoever won the game. Assuming this was true of most players, then part A is confirmed for all of those players. B is unconfirmable, but with the understanding that cooperation appears to be the strongest strategy, its probably reasonable to expect most players to cooperate, and when cooperation becomes the expectation, defecting becomes even less viable since you'll essentially be butting heads against the whole game, as JD and Aaarrrgh found out. C is what can reasonably throw a wrench in the plan, but because we don't know what the third abilities are, it makes more sense to cautiously proceed based on what we do know while possible setting up some contingencies in the event that things threaten to fall apart as a result of the wildcards represented by the third abilities. C wasn't what threw a wrench in the plan ultimately though. What threw a wrench in the plan was ineptitude and failure to communicate, presumably as a result of lack of interest in the game. Two people as far as i can tell were candidates for being the one who would cult everyone, and those were tevish and freddeh. Tevish apparently stopped because he thought freddeh might be culting people, and freddeh probably either stopped or didn't start because he forgot the game was going on or didn't care about it.

I myself stopped following the game much after a while though, so its possible i'm way off base about how the gamestate actually evolved.

The game state wasn't evolving, it had stalled and hadn't progressed in many many days. The only thing that happened in the past 5 days was everyone lynched Aaarrrgh. And even that only happened cuz the game mod threatened to call the game a tie if y'all didn't get up and do something.

I wasn't specifically calling rubik out. I was calling everyone out, to rubik. Y'all were equally apathetic to just let someone else fight your battles for you, and the person you nominated to do it wasn't on your team anymore.

i will agree that given the way the entire playerbase was playing collectively, it would have been impossible for us to win

That is all I meant.

I didn't butt heads with anybody. You lot just got scared of winning.

i'll cede that that is true

you were also trying to cooperate with the full game, just in a somewhat different way