Oh wow, I take two scum down for you and all it takes is some nonsensical text from someone supposedly trying to avenge their own death for you people to go back into wanting to lynch me. I already proved I'm willing to win with town, why do you keep doing this to me ugh

He's clearly lying and he's prolly trying to buy time while attempting to lynch me in retaliation for his partner doing a massive goof up that costed him the game.

Not to mention, why would he ask you to bus his entire team? Even if he died he'd prolly want to win.
It's stupid to think that he'd ask them to kill him just so he could bus everyone for no reason, lmao

On the contrary, since KoD and I are delayed if he was the last scum lynched I'd win with town. Also I started the game lying. I lie quite often as town. I expect everybody to assess the information I have presented and make their own judgements.



Probably because your behavior would have inevitably took down the entire mafia. You got no chill man. Additionally KoD said he kept posting bus gifs in the mafia chat so I'm sure there was a personal aspect on your part.



I also said delayed. And I'm not mafia, that's where your rookie mistake comes in. I was incentivized to keep KoD around. I have no incentives for the rest of the mafia. I'm dead after today and have lost the game, and that's mafia's fault so guess who is losing with me?



I'm not picking any fights. I'm getting vengeance. You forget that I know you targeted KoD and not the other way around. Like I said earlier, whether town believes me today or not is irrelevant. When I flip my claim will be proven and vengeance will be mine.

Oh, yes, because that's totally what you were planning. Leaving him as the last scum and then out him to town, especially without knowing if there are other non-mafia threats to town. Sounds about right and very noble, makes me feel a lot better about trusting you, thanks.

That makes no sense.
Even if that was the case, I could just come empty handed to be mislynched today and tried to make another excuse; not only it would certainly make KoD look even better, but it would've also bought the mafia team one phase. Or I could've even just bitten the bullet and get mislynched the other day. Scum had no reason to kill one of their own.

Even if I wanted to kill him, I'm sure the majority of the group would be the one to decide the actions. And I doubt any sane scum team would decide to kill two of their own during a night.

And you didn't even answer most of these questions, lmao.
I don't even know if you really believe in what you're saying, it sounds so insane.

Have you even considered that KoD just didn't care about you and might've lied to you in an attempt of using you as his post-death herald to cause another mislynch? And that he did that because he suspected I was a bomb or PGO of some kind? I got quite a few of negative role modifiers that appeared from nowhere, which I'm assuming are from KoD. Did he ever mention a post-death ability to you? It would be a nice way to trigger those too.

In that scenario he purposely got himself killed so you as his little puppet to guarantee funnier's mislynch for them.
It wouldn't even be fully my fault lmao.

EBWOP:
*so he could use you as his little puppet to guarantee funnier's mislynch

Actually, he didn't even had to fear me being a Bomb or a PGO, he could just be fearing me to really come back with some result as I bluffed.
As soon as he felt menaced by me causing him to flip he could've made up some really dramatic story just to toy with you lmao.

Seems like it is working, I wonder if he's enjoying himself from the sidelines.

I'm not ready to believe anything JD is saying right now. Like, if he dies tonight, I guessed there might be some point to listening to him, but even so I really doubt that he's telling the truth.

Oh hey KoD was mafia, tinfoil there was correct! He's probably fuming that he got wrecked by a random role again though (*waves at CL from last game*) lol.

That said, I can finally claim my role: I have a weird cop variant thing that lets me theoretically find multiple mafia on d4, but only if EVERY person I check is mafia.

I just used it as a slow single person cop check to at least hopefully be useful.

Unfortunately with the ability aargh gave me I got confirmation that Tevish is town, and I can't check anyone else before d4 unless Tevish has another time reversal, so rip that.

something something HERE COMES THE BIG REVEAL!!!11ONE!!

Tevish is town confirmed btw.

Or at least not mafia, probably town though.

lmao that size

anyway, have fun with that, I'm heading to work will catch up on JDs info dump in a bit.

We should be able to poe most of the game though as I'm pretty sure at the very least me, Tevish, and Aarrgh are town/town-y.

Wouldn't the best way to test JD's claims be to lynch JD? If JD is telling the truth, he's going to lie anyways, but if JD is lying it could lead to a mislynch of Ex. Sounds to me that if JD flips 3p, we can probably rely on his information of Ex and funnier being mafia.

He's confirmed to be 3P survivor by Zinger. Although we don't know if that's what he told Zinger, of if that's something Zinger's role found out. For now I'd believe a Survivor claim.

If he's telling the truth about being Lovers then he's just trying to take someone down with him. And if he's not he's just trying to buy more time.

Alternatively, KoD lied to him to cause mislynches even after his death.

Dammit, should've went with my intial feeling from d1 of KoD being mafia.

@Naga, if JD is lying he won't die anyways, so we'll know he's lying then. Ex is either Survivor or Mafia so there's not a ton of harm lynching there. But I have to rethink some things first. I think I even said yesterday that Ex didn't seem as town as d1 when he was actually town. So I could see him possibly being mafia. Though I don't get the funnier being mafia because he was revealed as yellow town?

I'm just gonna lock Freddeh and Tevish as town because I think my mind would explode thinking there might be some tinfoil scum play there.

Naga, would you be willing to claim? I think I may know what part of your role is just from process of elimination.

Never said that was the plan, just pointed out that I'm not as stuck to mafia as you're trying to paint me.



Town pants is the reason. That thing you've been blatantly grabbing at today. You're claimed survivor so you need something to propel you into LyLo rather than get lynched before for safeties sake.



You keep saying two like that's a thing. Also as I said you each have your own kills so majority decision is irrelevant.



I answered all applicable questions, your problem is you keep assuming I'm mafia and am bound by that alignment. I'm self and don't have to give a **** about town or mafia.



So you're saying KoD killed himself and didn't target you in order to die in the night to frame you for his own murder? Because it makes zero sense for KoD to suspect your a PGO and then hit you anyways. If he thinks you're PGO and are gonna "reveal" him by reverse murder he just doesn't hit you, you have no results today and you're lynched. KoD only has one modifier. Anybody that kills him becomes vanilla. Sucks to be your mafia kill.



If you decide you don't believe me then I highly suggest you vote for me. There's no point in mislynching somebody else if I'm dying at end of day anyway.

Lol, so each scum can use their own kill individually? Why weren't there 2 or 3 kills per night then?
Of course there must be a limitation to only one per night. And of course it needs to have some kind of consensus for it to go through.

...I killed an ally and someone that had townpants so I could get townpants? And the person that got killed decided to tell you the entire team so he could lose once per all...?

That's a lie lmao, is that what he told you? Or do you really know what it did?

Here's some value analysis

Proposition: JD is lying and we lynch JD
Result: Dead JD-Scum

Proposition: JD is lying and we lynch funnier
Result: Dead Funnier-Town. JD doesn't croak and we can lynch him tomorrow for that.

Proposition: JD is lying and we lynch Ex
Result: Dead Survivor Ex (not useful to Town). JD doesn't croak and we can lynch him tomorrow for that.

Proposition: JD is telling the truth and we lynch JD
Result: Self JD dies. We can go after ex or Funnier tomorrow, if we think his info is reliable

Proposition: JD is telling the truth and we lynch funnier
Result: Funnier-scum dies, but might flip Yellow Town anyway based on what JD said? JD dies anyway to delayed lover effect, and based on the flips we can choose to go or not go for Ex (ftw?)

Proposition: JD is telling the truth and we lynch ex
Result: Ex dies and flips mafia, confirming JD's claim. JD croaks. We get to off Funnier tomorrow FTW

~~~

Lynch Propositon: JD
Analysis: This is moot, he's claimed he will die at End of Day. IF he doesn't, we lynch him then. If he would, lynching him is a waste.

Lynch Proposition: funnier
Analysis: This is the 'weird' choice. Since Funnier might still be yellow town scum not traditional mafia we don't necessarily learn much

Lynch Propositon: Ex
Analysis: IMO this is the clean choice. Survivors can't be allowed to enter LyLo anyway because they'll help Mafia speedhammer, and if he flips Maf we know we can trust JD.


VOTE: Ex

I said there was a one at a time limitation in my original post. Good to know you're not bothering to read. And it's a simple matter of first in, first out.



Here's a fun idea, use one of those two abilities you have and prove me wrong. Wait that's right, you've already stated you can't....

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I said there was a one at a time limitation in my original post. Good to know you're not bothering to read. And it's a simple matter of first in, first out.



KoD didn't have full on town pants. He was in good standing but he was hardly in the clear Poe. He was also tied to a know 3p that was definitely not in the cleared pile. Going either direction is a gamble.
Once again since you aren't reading, I've known the scum team since night 1. If you want to get from a 3p you gotta give.



Here's a fun idea, use one of those two abilities you have and prove me wrong. Wait that's right, you've already stated you can't....

If that's the case then why didn't he change it? I'm sure the other scum, or him would at least do an effort to change it at the last second if his oh-so-precious life really were in the line.

Oh, yea, of course scum would blindly trust a 3P and tell them their entire scum team N1 lmao. Every neighbor and lover does that, yup, yes, totally the standard play and common meta all around the world.

lmao, is that what he told you? I had 3 abilities after I got resurrected and I still have access two of them.
What about vote modifiers and and role modifiers? Did he tell you about those?

Not really. Self is as self does, him flipping self from a lynch tells us very little. What tells us we can trust him is

a) Him not failing to die to the lover effect
plus
b) Ex flipping straight-out mafia.

Funnier might be some kind of death-babyface, so it has to be ex. Plus, if he's lying, we lose less by losing Ex.