@Tevish:

After my initial change from Minish to Ex, yes that is what I'm proposing based on what I'm seeing from him. As far as a lynch candidate goes, as self he made a better choice than my blind swing at Minish, as I talked about before. However, given his reactions and approach, I'm certain he's lying about being self.

Ever since my switch to him, he's just reacting to best avoid having himself get lynched. And, as a self, it is bold for him to even sit there and say he can out a scum with an ability he has. So even if he isn't lynched, he's painting a target on himself anyway.

No matter how you hash it, he's just the best person to lynch. At best, I'm right and we lynch scum. At worse, he flips as self (which in and of itself isn't a huge loss for town since we can't know that he'll try to game both sides to keep himself alive by virtue of being self).

It's fine, I can see why you'd think that. I just kinda wish one more phase so I can try to be useful. It's the second time KoD is going to slip through my fingers and I just kinda want to prove with concrete and irrefutable evidence that he is scum.

wtf the quotes got all messed up


No, I can win if I'm alive when any team archives their wincon. And a cult wouldn't even make sense.
HW said that he only had one shot, and the fact Naga subbed in for a PK suggests noone can be revived anymore, so no more undead players roaming around.

It's fine, I can see why you'd think that. I just kinda wish one more phase so I can try to be useful. It's the second time KoD is going to slip through my fingers and I just kinda want to prove with concrete and irrefutable evidence that he is scum.

@Aaargh, you said you had seen a third person's pfp during N1, is there still a reason to not tell us who it was? Are you Town reading or scumreading that person atm?
And if you think both me and KoD are the wrong focus, what are a few other options you would consider?

@Rubik/Minish/Freddeh, please, where are you and what are your updated opinions on the game?

@Rubik specifically, have you been using your observing ability? Did you see any new role images?

@Tevish, you said you were considering a SMS/KoD/JD scumteam; I'd like to remind you that JD is confirmed to be indept survivor directly by Zinger, so there's prolly still a third scum among the people you're townreading, do you have any ideas?

@JD, please vote me. I want to see if my theory of you two being responsible for 4.5 votes is correct.

Well

I don’t think anything happened o-O

Well, that was kinda useless because Aaargh had already confirmed that your role PM was very similar to CL's

Maybe something will happen during the night?

*role PM image

I'm inclined to let Ex have his one more day. Right now, my strongest lean for a lynch is Rubik. His disappearance from the thread leaves the worst taste in my mouth.

KoD, you presumably know you're not scum. There's also the connection between you and JD so we'd have feedback if anyone targets you, including a lack of feedback if Ex doesn't. I also disagree with your thesis that his play is any different than his d1 meltdown. It might be a little more contained, but it's the same style.

So, one of a few things can happen: Ex can out you as scum and you're scum, town wins. Ex can "out you as scum" and be lying, sacrificing himself. Ex can confirm you as town, giving us a confirmed town who is also, if I follow, an info role?

I don't really see a loss to the proposition of allowing Ex and KoD both go into night, considering that we're not really in the late game yet. If things were more down to the wire, I'd be more concerned with the two of you this instant, but right now I believe a little time will tell a lot.

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Oh hey funnier popped his IC. That's a thing. I'm just gonna go out on a limb and guess that yellows and greens are both legit townies but something weird can happen with the yellows. I did something like that before as a mod: In Twilight Zone Mafia I had Town-aligned and Pattern-aligned. The latter won with the town, but only won if they also jumped through an extra hoop (each) in the game. (There was also Rod Serling who was totally immortal and won if "everything went according to script" and all the Pattern-aligned extra hoops were completed, regardless of if the town went on to win or not)

I probably won’t be back for deadline, but would appreciate if people like. Would actually vote. Don’t want to come back and see Ex flip again just because nobody bothered to vote anywhere

Guess I'll commit, the time is getting close.

Vote: Rubik
Timeblast: Rubik

@Tevish:

There are several things wrong with your post.

First and foremost, just how do you think Ex will prove I'm scum?

Reference:



Talking about his ability to seal Zinger which gets more mana if a nontown is lynched (curious that he's not pushing for my lynch despite how sure he is that he can prove I'm scum).



Here you see him talk about how his role was nerfed down to just two items. One he directly talks about, another he doesn't talk about. Of note that he loss, as per his own words, are the abilities to do some cop shots and vig shots apparently.

Curious, then, just how he'd prove I'm scum without cop shots. Don't you think, Tevish? But if you're prone to wanting to trust someone being vague (hey, just the sort of thing he accused me of eh) in how they will secure "concrete proof", then you're setting yourself up to be misled.


Point is, just like how he's leveled an accusation against me about withholding information about my role (ie. how I generate info), he's taking the same course to try and convince you that he will gain, again, "concrete" proof as to me being scum. Proof that will be obtained, somehow, without a cop ability that he no longer has, and, instead, comes from an ability he's mentioned as being "Playing Dead".

Mind you, too, that after he was rezed he spent the better part of his time more or less talking about Zinger rather than pursuing me for being scum (a revelation that only came after I voted him today). And, as I said above, his confidence in me being scum is undermined by his unwillingness to pursue my lynch for his seal ability that needs mana to seal Zinger. There's clearly a contradiction in how he's acting.

Yet, letting us both live to tomorrow won't resolve anything. Let's say we go into tomorrow and ExLight comes out tomorrow by saying he has a scum result on me (if that's how the concrete proof takes form). Would you believe JD if he comes in and says that Ex did not target me? Would you question how Ex even generated his result if he has one at all?

What'll happen is we'll have a repeat of what is happening right now with the two of going after each other (though he'll probably actually vote me then as opposed to now). Resolving this situation is the best course as it'll avoid a day enveloped by this.

If Ex fails to deliver to satisfaction, I think we both know what ought to happen to him.

If he claims a concrete result, he's either fingered you or is lying scum. Either way we catch scum inside 2 days. The only possible failure state is if he wants to become the new Captan Lunch, which would be pretty unforgivable.

Play it out. You already know he's claimed to only have two abilities (seal and Play Dead). You know that he's lost his cop shots and vig shots.

So he comes into thread, tomorrow, and claims a scum result on me. Presumably with Play Dead which, if he isn't lying, shouldn't be a cop shot. Course if it isn't a cop shot, how does he get an alignment result then, hm?

JD comes in here and tells you that Ex did not target me. You already know JD and I are linked.

So what do you do?

A lynch is the only way to resolve it.

But entertain me for one more thing. Just what is the satisfaction level you're expecting? What I described above?

I'm guessing this is what you wanted me to comment on funnier?

I dunno, I'm torn on Rubik because I think he's been scummy but I also think he was the one to bring up the yellow/green town being capitalized vs lowercase. Which makes me wanna think he's town because that is a difference between yellow/green town. But I guess he could also possibly have that info as scum somehow? I just really don't know what to think about Rubik.


Tevish's role does seem fairly mafia sided, but he's been making some decent townie sounding posts. Kinda odd that he didn't claim the intial 12 hour jump when people were wondering about it and even asking him.

No one else has commented on my previous comment about Freddeh. I'm really paranoid he's scum because he hasn't died yet. No one's placing any suspicion on him and is town reading him but yet he's still alive?! Plus I don't think he's made any claims about his role so he's a complete unknown.

I'm a little more iffy on KoD just because we're getting lower on townies so he could be scum who threw SMS under the bus with his invest claim. But I think I'm willing to keep him around for now. Aaarrggh dating him could possibly give them both some good abilities for town.

And Ex isn't really revived town. Well he is in the sense he was town before he was brought back. But now he's claiming Survivor. And tbh, I'm not 'town' reading him as much now as I was then. He seems to be pulling some kind of weird move now, with claiming he can prove KoD is scum but he's not even 100% sure KoD is scum. It does seem a bit like flailing so he's not lynched. BUT, Ex does weird **** as town/3rd party where he lies about stuff for seemingly no reason. Like when he claimed delayed jester as survivor. So I don't know if I believe Ex has anything that can catch scum, but this isn't out of his wheelhouse as town/3rd party.


Also @Ex, I voted KoD for the CS vote because it probably doesn't matter a ton if he's scum since it's likely Aaarrggh has already dated scum by now. But both he and Aaarrggh could get good abilities from it that could help town. Any of y'all could be scum at this point so I'm not gonna not vote someone based on the fact they *could* be scum.


I know there's an ability out there that hasn't been claimed yet that is presumably not part of Freddeh's role. So if y'all wanna claim that would be nice. And also any other claims would be helpful.

Kinda feel like I wanna lynch in Tevish/Rubik/Freddeh though.

Oh wait, Tevish has 3 extra votes anyways so a vote on him probably wouldn't do much because a lot of people would have to vote him.

And I doubt anyone else wants to vote Freddeh at the moment. So I guess I'll go with this.

Vote: Rubik

Isn't ExLight confirmed town?

Why do people want to lynch him?

I haven't been paying any attention. My DMs Guild ebook releases tomorrow.

Yeah that was it. You didn’t really comment on the main bit that lynching in that group of people probably wins the game regardless?

Also the Rubik thing. I didn’t notice until afterward Town is capitalized in the CL flip and lowercase in the Ex flip so he might’ve put it together like that

@Zinger:

No. HW confirmed that Ex's alignment did change. He just didn't know what to.

At best, Ex is self.

At worst, he is maf.