Is poseur a fancier way of saying poser?

I literally cannot enjoy my music if I am not correcting others on its merits and value at all times and developing superiority complexes over the particular genres and artists for which my sensibilities are most accustomed because of a crippling lack of self actualization and a likable personality.

**** OWL CITY!!!!!

New forms of metal?
Two words.

Doom Grass

"factually", "blatantly incorrect". I mean, we're being serious here, right?

I've never listened to those bands because I don't have a PhD in Metal and I don't expect you to know all of the stupid noise rock stuff I listen to. The point is that it doesn't matter if you're smarter than everybody about anything if the majority doesn't care.

Also, you know metal is dead when they can put garbage metal hard rock on the radio and people listen to it and it makes money. It's owned by a rich white guy now. That's why rap sucks, and punk, and electronic music, and indie pop, etc. It's fine to still be into something and still enjoy it but it's not the 80's.

hey ben I was listening to that gang of four album again, it's even better than I remembered

Before my time, but this song is awesome.

Ben: Metal is not **** dead. You don't have to have a PhD in metal to realize this, you have to have common sense. The bands I listed prove this, and they're not even overly underground, if at all. ANYONE who knows extreme metal even remotely, much less black metal, knows Burzum and Deathspell Omega, or at least knows of them. As for the others, they also prove you are wrong. Metal is growing and expanding as a genre and artform, especially in black metal.

What you hear on the radio (in terms of modern music) is not metal, its either tough-guy hard rock, or the worst forms of metalcore (brocore). Its not even relevant to the discussion, just a retarded point in general.

You call me a hipster but you are the biggest one I've encountered.

"common sense". I mean, when you say stuff like this it makes it hard to believe you. I obviously don't see how the bands you listed prove this and you're clearly not explaining how they are innovative or how metal isn't dead so try to express your side of the argument better. "trust me I'm right" isn't an argument.

okay, it's fine if you don't believe what you hear on the radio isn't metal but everybody else thinks it is so either you're wrong or the majority of people don't care about being wrong which makes your view on metal pretty irrelevant.

it's pretty awesome, right?

I wanna know your definition of "dead", hiphop and RnB are 2 genres I feel has died out and by that my definition is those two genres has peaked long time ago and the only songs dropped in said categories are commercial garbage. By that definition metal is far from dead.

Try listening to the bands listed, try using your ears rather than your mouth (fingers) for once. They are innovative because they do things not done before in metal music. The post prison Burzum albums don't even take influence from anywhere, are Varg doesn't even listen to music aside from Tangerine Dream, Dead Can Dance, and his own anymore. Deathspell Omega has been innovative for years, the way they incorporate dissonance into their sound is in a fashion no band has done before. ColdWorld, is an example of depressive music that switches from minor to major scales often, back and forth, which is unheard of in a genre dominated near solely by minor, phrygian and pentatonic scales. Inquisition is an example of a band that combines elements from every metal subgenre--death, thrash, groove, speed, heavy, doom--onto an overarching black metal framework... one of the only bands to do so. I'm not going into the others cause I'm jaded trying to explain to someone who's stupid about metal, what innovation is going on in the genre.

Metal is not dead. Just because you have heard some bad faux-metal on the radio, does not make metal dead. Using radio music to prove ANY point, is the epitome of mental deficiency.

to me a dead genre is one that has passed the high point of its popularity, sufficiently explored its fundamental aspects of developing a unique musical identity, and now has no significant cultural relevance or appeal to anyone outside of fans of the genre. I can tell you all about modern synthpop and EBM artists and the ways that the genre has developed over the years and into the 2010s but that doesn't mean the genre hasn't been dead since the 80s.

Calling a genre dead is not the same as calling it bad or wrong. It is Okay to like a dead genre. Its Okay to like whatever you like. You don't need to prove that your music is worth listening to to continue enjoying it.

I know. But the thing you're forgetting is that metal isn't dead. I don't expect anyone who hasn't dug deep into the genre to know how the genre is still progressing and pushing boundaries... but don't project your ignorance onto a genre you know next to nothing about.

I wouldn't say EBM is dead because I don't listen to EBM; my knowledge of it is minimal at best. So naturally I'm not gonna make braindead claims about a genre I know next to nothing about.

tangerine dream is pretty cool

the innovation of playing two types of scales holy christ get rolling stone on these guys pronto

Basically all of this. Cultural relevancy is important when listening to music. Yeah, friends of mine we sit around and listen to new obscure shoegaze and lo-fi bands but I'm not saying they're innovative because they aren't. It's the same stuff being rehashed over and over.

Can people today make good albums of a genre that is no longer alive? Certainly. But does that mean the genre is still living and breathing? In my opinion it isn't.

Also, telling me to go listen to x band and hear how innovative they are myself isn't really helpful because I don't know why they are innovative or the reference point in which they are innovative. That's why I'm asking for help to understand. It's not an attempt at condescension but understand why you think they are innovative. Maybe these bands are truly transforming something that is dead but I haven't heard of them and I don't know why it's special if it truly is. I don't understand why you need to attack me rather than what I'm saying. I get you're passionate about it but it's not really necessary. To me you are the guy looking down at everybody for not knowing these bands and that they're awesome and your argument is "shut up and listen to me, I'm right" which is not really helpful to me. I understand music theory and composition as well as music history so if you just help me understand your side I can learn something and maybe in turn you can learn something from people who have different opinions.

The things you listed as innovative, major/minor scales, sonic dissonance, combining elements of already existing subgenres doesn't really sound innovative to me. I thought in the beginning of metal they were using major and minor scales because those are the basic constructions of western music. I thought the sonic dissonance was sorta the thing they were going for in the beginning because it sharply contrasted pop music. So, I'm not really understanding the argument here.

damaged goods more like damaged greats

Ben: You said the key words, "in my opinion". I'm sorry for attacking you and getting touchy, but it is sorta dumb to make claims about a genre you're not or no longer familiar with, no? Do I not have a point there? It'd be like me saying "EBM is dead." I don't listen to EBM so I really would have no leg to stand on in making such a claim.

As for the whole "I thought they were going for dissonance" deal, not to this extent. Deathspell Omega can be dissonant almost to the point of being atonal. They combine this with melodicism in, well, a way that I frankly cannot put into words, a way that I have not heard done not just in metal, but music as a whole. As for ColdWorld, in depressive black metal, and extreme metal in general, basically any metal (excepting hair metal, but thats not really relevant) that's from 1980 onward, its alws been a throwup between minor, pentatonic, and phrygian. Major scales were generally considered "too happy/hopefu"; so having a depressive black metal band alternate between minor and major scales is unheard of.

So how can a genre be dead when its growing, expanding, breaking down the (frankly, quite thick) walls separating it from the other genres, and music as a whole? Simple answer, it can't. Metal's thriving. It may be turning 44 this year but its stronger and more lively than it has ever been.

Van: Proving my point bout being obtuse for the sake of being obtuse.