Oh I haven’t followed the zuckerberg thing , it was good?
Yeah I like Warren too

Holy shlt is she ever annoying

I couldn’t get through it

I did more than half

It reminded me of my custody trial

The last reaction of Zuckerberg is the punch line of the joke.

When he looks to his left? I didn’t get it

She’s totally nuts tho. I hate these hearings cuz most of the congressmen are just trying to get their own sound bites in.

If she’s trying to get Facebook to do fact checking on political ads (which they shouldn’t be the ones doing) , why just she raise the point that white supremacist ads shouldn’t be allowed to make it through simply based on a fact check? That’s an entirely separate issue

I would have loved to see The Social Network Zuckerberg show up and own her in her little self indulgent line of questioning

She really gets under your skin man

Lol, it’s not just her tho, to be fair to her

It’s most politicians in this type of inquiry

Yesh, I don’t agree she destroyed Zuckerberg. She says Cambridge Analytica had a catastrophic impact on the 2016 election, but that’s questionable at best. Eitan Hersh (political scientist w/ PHD from Harvard who wrote Hacking the Electorate, a book microtargeting strategies in elections) researched Trump campaign’s use of Cambridge Analytica and Obama campaign’s use of FB data to target voters in his re-election campaign (the same thing Cambridge Analytica did, with only difference in collection being that Obama’s app notified users their data would be used to support a political campaign - but not everyone on their friends list, who’s data was also used - where as CA’s app didn’t notify users) and found neither were greatly effective in persuading people to vote. It’s a paper tiger, not a destroyer of democratic elections.


Idk about Warren. Feel like Trump would have a field day with her in election season. He already has the Pocahontas meme to revive, and she recently came out with a claim that she was fired from a teaching job back in the day because she was pregnant, but records from the time show the school renewed her teaching contract and expressed disappointment that she turned it down. And in past interviews she claimed she left teaching to pursue a different career, never mentioning being fired. Feel like he has ample ammo to make her into a liar meme like he did with Hillary... I’d like Yang to win nomination, but I don’t see that happening.

How did he came to that conclusion if no one knows what adds any given person saw before the election or how did they vote?

I mean if the US voters still think Trump is anywhere near being qualified for being president ... you just don't deserve democracy.

Unfortunately there are many in the US that care less about Lord Damp Nut's qualifications, honesty, or intelligence for that matter. They care about the economy (which I'll never understand why poor white republicans care about the stock market doing good... but it seems they do), the fact that the moron doesn't know how to work with other nations (they like that he's a curmudgeon and doesn't capitulate to foreign leaders (in public anyway)). I think the thing they love the most is with him in office they feel they can finally be the **** in public they always were in private.

The Bernie Bros ruined it in 2016. Can't vote for Bernie then won't vote for anyone. What blatant stupidity. The biggest but not only reason Lord Damp Nut is in office.

In case you wonder. I've called him Lord Damp Nut from day one. Anagram of Donald Trump.
I like my name better. Reminds me of who I'm dealing with.

Not sure. Haven’t looked into his research to know what details lead him there, just summary of conclusions. However, by the same premise you state, how could one come to the conclusion the effects were catastrophic?

I think most Americans know Trump is the least presidential person to ever hold office by a mile. He’s a walking bag of narcissism and ego. Reality show presidency. MAGA True Believers are a small percent of the roughly half of people who voted for him among the roughly half of voting age people who voted in last presidential election. Scaling down orders of magnitude, if there are 100 people in the country, 77 of them were eligible to vote, 46 voted, 21 voted for Trump, and maybe 5 legit think he’s awesome. Others voted against Hillary for various reasons, some just voted for him to throw a molotov into DC, some single issue voters, some pure partisans, etc.

But the economy is good, which means a lot to people (not just felt by those playing the stock market - owner of plumbing company I use was complaining how he’s having to turn down work because he can’t keep up with demand and no plumbers are applying to his help wanted adds because they’re all employed already - and development happening all around my city for like 2-3 years straight, keeping construction workers employed - etc). Compounding that is Dem primary being dominated by wokeness, which your average person finds exhausting and irritating, and it problematizes the majority demographic in an election system that wants votes from a majority of people (electoral college not withstanding). Not an insignificant number of working class peeps who support traditional leftist ideals (Dirtbag Left, Žižek types) don’t like this New Left that’s focusing less on economic leftism and more on white people are bad and should feel bad, and white men are the literal worst. Percentage of white people who can afford to be vilified politically is relatively low; this is reflected among demographic of woke left, where you see overrepresentation of affluent successful whites and a dearth of working class ones. In America the old idea of left and right as it relates to economics is becoming less relevant - in the last election you had the right wing candidate supporting protectionist policies traditionally supported by leftists (were he had agreement from Sanders, who the DNC sabotaged in the primaries) running against a left wing candidate who supported globalist policies traditionally supported by the right. It’s become more about the culture war.

I’m seeing this as the sort of perfect storm that could easily get Trump a second term, depending on who wins the Democratic nomination and what their strategy is in the lead up to election.

Man what a great post

Hits so many important points

We just had an election in Canada on Tuesday and lots of those themes were in play

The winning party forming government got 33% of the popular vote or something small like that and I think it’s for many of the reasons you put

Hit the nail on the head TIMH.
While I consider myself mostly "woke", PC and Gender Politic for the most part alienates the normal leftist workers rights and anti-corporatism part of me that has always kept me with the Democrats. It's a great subtheme as I agree that human rights are for all human beings but yes, it is tearing the party apart. As a moderate (socially liberal and beside workers rights and sufficient social safety net programs fiscally conservative) I feel I'm a dying breed. There seems to be no party to belong to anymore and I know from the 2016 election that I'm not the only one. I voted for Hillary by the way because Lord Damp Nut was never a realistic choice, no matter how I'd like to see Washington shaken up a bit.

I'm not really a political person - maybe because Germany has been stable for all of my life. Our chancellors and their cabinets have mostly done a fine job of preserving the status quo, which is quite attractive for most.

That being said, our new #1 topic has become saving the planet (climate change) -rightfully so - and that's not a strength of the ruling parties. They may handle economics and immigration fine, but what's the point if we're one of the last generations.

So from a very naive PoV I would want the intelligent people (scientists) to rule the world and not charismatic/wealthy people.

Meanwhile on the other side of the pond, a country with a much larger impact on the world's future chooses to be run by a clown. Screw our future, screw everyone else - me first

So you think Cambridge Analytica had no significant impact on the US elections?
Disinformation in political adds on Facebook were a huge deal as for what I have read about the debacle of Trumps election.
Everywhere CA operated elections took a last minute shift in behalf of their clients.
The hate speech and the overrepresented minorities alone can't explain those shifts.

No, I don’t think it had a significant impact. I think you have coastal elites grasping at straws to explain what they couldn’t (and refused to) see happening in the interior of the country (particularly in the Rust Belt) from their bubbles. I currently live on a coast but grew up in the Rust Belt, so I have some perspective on the cultures and concerns in both - coasts have open contempt for the interior and interior knows it. Trump pandered to them and ran on a protectionist platform that appeals to them, while Hillary ran on a globalist platform they hold responsible for the decline of their job opportunities and decimation of their local economies over the last 30-40 years. If Hillary had put some effort into appealing to the Rust Belt and their concerns instead of ignoring them, she almost certainly would have won. Think Bernie would have, with his economic platform.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatl ... le/507203/

She took it for granted she’d get the blue collar vote from interior, but they saw she didn’t really care about them and voted for the person who at least pretended to. Dems on the national level have been moving away from working class concerns for some time now; Rust Belt been voting for Dem candidates because historically that’s who cares about them, and observe economic policies instituted that see factories keep closing and working class suffering from their jobs going overseas, while white collar folk on the coasts do well and benefit from it. Along comes a Repub candidate who acknowledges that pain and promises to make their lives better where Dems have failed, and they responded to it (whether because they honestly believed he would or wanted to toss an eff you grenade into a federal government that hasn’t given 2 s***s about them past some occasional lip service with never realized results for decades). Pollsters caught off guard cause peeps weren’t being open and honest about who they were voting for cause they weren’t interested in being slammed and shamed as deplorables over their economic concerns and desire to rebuild their way of life.

All this is why I think Dems could lose again. Think coasts are going to vote for whoever Dems run against Trump, regardless of name or differences in platform, but interior working class are not guaranteed. Think someone like Yang with his UBI could get that working class vote - offer some financial stability to them if the future of factory work is gone. And he comes across as genuine with his concern for everyone, refusing to vilify demographics like everybody deserves a seat at the table. Think Sanders could too with his long history of concern for working class. But if they nominate someone who continues to problematize the white working class, another elite from white collar background wagging their finger at them in shame from a place of wealth and comfort - I see them as unlikely to get those states back in next election.

I really hope Warren wins the next election I dunno if the world can survive Trump another time.
On other news Breitbart is now on facebook news... that is a very good sign for a well informed election.

lol, LOVE IT