i suppose that makes sense

Mostly, unless you have issue with him being lynch immune.

I don't for D1 care that he's immune

What information are we losing? If we recall the One's ability we get a lynch still.

I cannot supply any additional information than what has been originally stated.

we lose information if we don't recall the one's ability, not if we do. I thought we lost wagon analysis, but if we keep track of votes ourselves and have arrgh kill the leader at some period of time, then we largely retain that information.

@Tevish:

I was strictly under the impression, per the initial posts, that D1 only ended one of 2 ways. I did see PK's semi-recent post implying a lynch could be done after a recall. I'm confused here regarding this, and I would like it resolved.

@PK: Does D1 end strictly with a lynch (whether by The One or someone else), or does it end (as well) by recall voting?


As for Arrgh, if you think he is town, then there shouldn't be an issue with him having the ability to end the day. Essentially he's just a vig. Bonus points for following the discourse of the town and going with majority opinion.

My two cents on who to lynch: Naga. My impression on his posts is that he just doesn't want Arrgh controlling the lynch despite thinking Arrgh may be town. The rest of his posts give off a tone of not wanting to be hard-line recall, yet subtly pushing for that direction.

Unofficial Vote: Naga

Thanks PK.

With that being said, I'm sticking with Arrgh keeping the ability. It's generated a decent amount of discussion, and I'm sure we have something here with Naga.

Exactly. This is actually the maximum information we can gain. We "lynch" someone (which I'm still not sold on being the optimal play) and we get information about Aaarrrgh's role.

The only other sensible option is to Recall and then No Lynch.

@Aaarrrgh, do you have a "vote" yet? You could even set a (reasonable and changeable) deadline and just end the day after it.

I'll quote again:


This is very interesting and I'd like to hear @Naga comment on it. It likely means he has some sort of special role (very possibly himself).

oh hey right this exists and i totally remember about it definitely
anyway i am confirming i got my role

wait ok so in original post pk says 'post-lynch recall' but in most recent it's 'post-recall lynch'
i'm assuming it's just a mistake?

in either case, it seems the only way no one dies is recall > no lynch, although it seems that no lynch might not be an option day 1, assuming a recall goes through

also, naga not wanting arrgh to control the lynch makes sense in a way; even assuming arrgh is town aligned, having one person controlling the entirety of the lynch is a bit scary

Your argument that it shouldn't be a problem if we think he's town isn't a strong argument. It assumes that 1) Aarrgh is town and 2) the ability is good for the town. You're also arguing that it is beneficial for the town because it's like a vigilante.

• First, I do not know if Aarrgh is town. At this point I don't trust anyone, and I'd like to know on what grounds you are trusting him.
• Whether or not a vigilante is good or bad from the town is another discussion, but usually the vigilante is alongside the town's lynch. The way you are describing it, it replaces it. If Aarrgh does not follow the wishes of the town, that means the town doesn't get a lynch for the day. That is bad for the town.
• Your other argument in favour of the One's ability is that it "is a talking point". Given all the downsides of it, I think that that is a very weak argument and honestly is very suspicious.

That being said, on Aarrgh's alignment, I don't know what it is. The mod said that he is not confirmed town, which you seem to think means he is confirmed town. I don't disbelieve Aarrgh, and do not want to lynch Aarrgh and do not think he is suspicious in anyway. I want to recall the ability because it is inherently bad for the town. If you believe it isn't bad for the town, please share instead of saying that it generates discussion.

I will admit I am also confused by that. I will say that I am town aligned with an ability that revolves around butts (seriously). I don't think its that special, but it is a role. I will also say that my role is not Naga. I don't know why I was selected not randomly and why it was disclosed that I was not selected randomly, it doesn't really make sense to me.

Prodded Zinger and NeoSilk via discord DM.

We really don't get a say in this. Aaarrrgh can do as they please and end the day whenever they want (no matter if we try to recall them or not)


It's really not. Either Aaarrrgh goes along with the town's wishes and it's the same or they don't for some reason and we gain very valuable information. Why would you want to throw that away?


This might imply ShadyPhoenix, which is not necessarily a town-aligned role. Context: Back in the day, he was a sometimes TS Admin and mischief maker. And:


Hmm, that is pretty bizarre. I wouldn't put it past PK, though.

I think the issue is no hammer threat, really.
Anyway we could compensate for that?

See arrgh gots all the hammer threat and people don't like that

I still don't know if being The One will have any effect past D1, but I have gotten confirmation that a recall will not interrupt the rest of my role.

Right now I'm not sure who is want to lynch. I definitely won't want to hit anyone before every player has posted. So far, the only lynch argument that looks somewhat reasonable is KoD's view for Naga (as much as it pains me to agree with KoD). But I need to hear what other people think before I can even consider the vote.

Daaaaaw, I like you too, Rubik.

Confirming my presence, and confirming I have received my role PM. I have, however, not yet read my role pm. I thought it would be fun to give my thoughts on the game so far to you all blind, without knowing what side I am yet on. Because I am wacky like that. Also, confirming NLP in effect. I will not lie this game.

Right off the top, two most suspicious players to me, based on behaviour alone, are Naga and Ragnarokio, in that order. Naga seems especially intent on taking away Aaarrrgh's god-given source powers, and despite the threat those powers might pose to the town we don't have enough information about them or the game itself to justifiably say for certain (as Naga is doing) that such power in Aaarrrgh's hands is inherently bad for the town. The game might be stacked against us and Aaarrrgh's control over the Day 1 lynch might be our only line of defence against the coming darkness. Rag also seems to be on the same page as Naga, which, again, to me, is a suspicious page to be on given how little we know about the game. All this is conjecture, take with grain of salt.

Naga also throws up red flags because of the nature of his or her presence in the OP. Naga got their role on purpose, not at random, yet claims to not know anything about that. That's fine, I am willing to take Naga at their word for that if that alone was all there was, but your name was specifically called out in the rules of the game and you didn't a) notice, and b) bring it up until someone asked you about it? I noticed this right away, and until I got to page 4 where it was finally being discussed I told myself that I was going to come out of the floodgates voting Naga if Naga hadn't talked about their non-random role by the time I got to the end. This is super suspect, to me. But again, mostly conjecture. Little to go on.

I want to leave the power in Aaarrrgh's hands and see a) what he does with it, and b) what happens to that power on its own if we don't take it away (does it go away on its own? does it stay? I want to know).

Also, I don't even know if I have a vote given I haven't yet read my role, but Vote:Freddeh-scum, for old time sakes.

That's all I got for now. Going to go read my role and report back.