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PostPosted: Sun Jul 07, 2019 11:26 am 
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Temur elementals seems quite strong betwen Little Chandra, Risen Reef and the 4 cmc ETB two more Elementals, anthems, ramp, Onmath, big Nissa and Big Chandra you got tons of value.
Banefire as a finisher.
That deck is stronk!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 08, 2019 7:31 am 
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Apparently Esper now takes up a much smaller part of the metagame because the 6-mana Chandra whomps it. The +2 emblem straight out kills you and you can't counter it.

I personally find that pretty odd since Kaya's Wrath seems to have gotten a whole lot better (since lots more creature decks now), and although 6-mana Chandra is a problem, Esper still has The Elderspell to kill it, as well as lifegain tools to ride out the damage. Worst case scenario, sideboard in Unmoored Ego. idk, I have yet to play any BO3 Standard matches since M20 hit, only been watching streams.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:27 am 
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Well, the elementals seem to have arrived. Both variants I played (one aggro with Field of ruin and the other self-mill with Jace as wincon, both using risen reef) seemed like absolute monsters...that I, having not adjusted to the meta, wasn't prepared to deal with. I think it's great that they gave green a clock with a card like Risen Reef, which basically will start comboing off like crazy within a few turns...but I can already tell that card is gonna get annoying.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:48 am 
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yeh, risen reef, field of the dead and arcane adaptation, mirror image, draw your deck and either omnath/banefire/jace kill.

It's stupid. I've had over 100 triggers on the stack at the same time, about a third of which would spawn new triggers.

if risen reef lives, it has a rather high probability of just winning on the spot.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 7:22 am 
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Anyone considered Ethereal Absolution yet? The -1/-1 answers Risen Reef permanently, as well as all of Chandra's elementals, and the effect already seems strong in a creature meta.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:04 am 
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But what deck could run it?
Esper has better things to do qitb 6 mana... Orzhov spirits? ....
Edit: I’m testing little Chandra in RDW ... and I went something like 10-1 from D4 to D1, if the meta doesn’t change I think I will ride that deck to Mythic fairly easy.

Little Chandra us the real deal IMO, she gives the deck more versatility and you can ultimate medium Chandra the turn after you play her... buy back all your burn or keep the pressure up after a sweeper.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:07 am 
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that sounds like a fun ride

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Banedon wrote:
Anyone considered Ethereal Absolution yet? The -1/-1 answers Risen Reef permanently, as well as all of Chandra's elementals, and the effect already seems strong in a creature meta.

Funny you say that as I icr'd one last night. I believe that gave me a full playset. Might be nice to edit my Orzhov to include them if anything to test your point. I played against like four decks last night with Risen in them.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 12, 2019 2:45 pm 
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Banedon wrote:
Anyone considered Ethereal Absolution yet? The -1/-1 answers Risen Reef permanently, as well as all of Chandra's elementals, and the effect already seems strong in a creature meta.

Funny you say that as I icr'd one last night. I believe that gave me a full playset. Might be nice to edit my Orzhov to include them if anything to test your point. I played against like four decks last night with Risen in them.


It's a very definitive answer, as it will mostly wreck the deck.

I'm running this currently, with 0 disruption apart from Omnath:

spells:
2 x Quasiduplicate
4 x Neoform

creatures:
4 x Arboreal Grazer
4 x Risen Reef
4 x Mirror Image
4 x Cloudkin Seer
4 x Healer of the Glade
1 x Scampering Scorcher
2 x Omnath, Locus of the Roil
3 x Fblthp, the Lost

enchantments:
2 x Arcane Adaptation

planeswalkers:
1 x Samut, Tyrant Smasher
1 x Jace, Wielder of Mysteries

Lands:
1 x Watery Grave
1 x Temple of Mystery
1 x Drowned Catacomb
1 x Stomping Ground
4 x Breeding Pool
4 x Hinterland Harbor
1 x Thornwood Falls
1 x Simic Guildgate
4 x Field of the Dead
1 x Overgrown Tomb
1 x Rootbound Crag
1 x Reliquary Tower
1 x Hallowed Fountain
1 x Steam Vents
1 x Woodland Cemetery


Sideboard should include stuff like callous dismissal and perhaps negate or spell pierce to remove that sweeper which wrecks your day.

The above list is very much the glasscannon version, with a high probability of going off and annoying your opponent when resolving 50-200 triggers on the stack, before winning off either 30+ hasted 2/2 zombie-elementals, 30+ damage to face with omnath or just jace +1 to draw from empty library.

Word of warning, don't go off with omnath on the board and jace in your hand. It's very hard to avoid killing yourself.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:15 pm 
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^Looks fun.

This monoblack control deck w/ Golos seems pretty strong, and unique for the meta: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9Rh9WEQF3o

I've reverted to my Sultai Muldrotha deck from two seasons ago, only with the addition of Risen Reef, Yarok and a few other elementals. It's quite a pile at the moment, but it's at least winning me some games. There is definitely a resurgence in aggro, and a reduction in planeswalkers, which I suppose is standard for a core set meta.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:31 am 
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Having second thoughts about Ethereal Absolution: sure it kills Risen Reef et al, but why play that instead Kaya's Wrath? There are reasons of course (e.g. prevents opponent from chaining two elementals), but they're not necessarily good ones. Wrath comes down on turn 4 which is huge compared to 6-mana Absolution.

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Also first tournament results are in. The Classic ended with Bant Manipulation on top, while the Open ended in a monored vs monoblue match (??). Very surprised to see monoblue, I thought that deck died last season and died even more with Shifting Ceratops around. No control decks made top 8, but Orzhov Vampires and Temur Elementals seem like the real deal. A bit surprised again - all these are decks for which Kaya's Wrath seems very powerful against. Further, with 3-mana Teferi apparently dropping in popularity, it's possible we'll see stuff like Settled the Wreckage soon.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:28 am 
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My take on the current meta is that ya'll must enjoy 15-20 minute matches where you bore your opponent to death and cruise to Mythic by making your opponent quit. Can some of you start playing more than 2-4 win cons?

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I’m playingg gruul dinos with great success. T4 ghalta isn’t uncommon and finishes the games nicely


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Simic Flash ...

I found it to be quite potent. I finally caved today, and built it. omf. it's not even funny. it's magic on easymode.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2019 11:51 pm 
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Simic Flash ...

I found it to be quite potent. I finally caved today, and built it. omf. it's not even funny. it's magic on easymode.

Welcome to the fold. I spent every wildcard I had the day it was cracked. Been mopping up games ever since. I do swap between the two versions though. One has more Flash creatures and the other has about 20 counters. I find the counterspell version best. At two drop counters, I run 2 Essence Scatter and 4 Negates due to Thought Erasure and T3 (on the draw) planeswalkers.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:18 am 
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GP Denver just concluded. Top 8 had four (!) Scapeshift decks, one Boros Feather, one Simic Nexus, one Jeskai planeswalkers, and one BW Vampires. Scapeshift dominated hard and there were even more copies in places 9-16. Rise of Scapeshift does not bode well for Bant Ramp, since that feels like a genuinely bad matchup. It also sure seems like Mass Manipulation has weakened tremendously. Against all of these decks the only one against which I want Manipulation is Jeskai Planeswalkers.

Moving off the Manipulation package does open up more possibilities. For example the other, GWu ramp deck has lots of cards that look better. Finale for example might be able to keep up with Scapeshift's token generation.

Also, I've sort of lost interest in MTG. It's not so much that the game is bad, but rather that other games are capturing my attention. Too bad I guess. I'll be following the meta, but not playing much.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:23 pm 
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I'm also playing a lot less this past weeks, I was on the feather team, switching into mono blue, RDW, Gruul and vampires.
The scapeshift deck is super annoying coz it can ramp rather fast, I how ever would never thought that it could pull those kinda results, I think Mono U will probably rise back up if this deck gets more popular..

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 7:20 am 
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Which decks have a good matchup vs. Scapeshift?

Out-and-out aggro seems reasonable but if LSV's GP-winning list is any indication, they are prepared for it post-board with Deputy of Detention & Ajani's Welcome.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 2:35 pm 
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I would think MONO blue can fizzle the whole deck with cheap interactions denying ramp and Scapeshift...
Esper control also seems like a good way to deal with the deck

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