I was wondering about what happens if I die at night. You will most likely poof, and it's not guaranteed the game won't end then. If it always ended at the beggining of a new phase, your condition wouldn't make any sense (you couldn't lose).
Fact is, Skystone needs you to vote for me or he can't win. Only if I am forced to change roles away from you he can target me at all.
There is one way you could win. If you vote Skystone right before deadline and he has no time to exile you. Question is how much before that he will feel forced to act.
Some actual facts:
1) Shock can be lynched, as you just admitted. He can therefore very easily lose 'normally', plus he can lose by being targeted by any of a horde of day abilities if the game ends during the day, plus he has to survive till the end of the game. That's hardly 'he can't lose', even if he survives the game ending via a night-kill.
2) I can win without Shock. It's just easier with his assistance.
3) Shock can never win by voting for me right before the deadline. I will simply exile him some number of minutes before the deadline arrives. Thus, Shock always loses by taking your advice.
4) If Shock can 'win' by sneak-voting for me, he can also do the same by sneak-voting for you. Moreover, if he votes for you, he still has the chance of winning because of my night kill.
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Alternative facts?
I was obviously referring to the lose condition of being in exile, not not being able to lose at all. You are telling him the game won't end while he's in exile at night, but you have no way of knowing that.
So how exactly are you going to win without him voting for me if you can't target either of us?
Number 3 is a bold lie! I know you miss deadlines all the time. I, however, am way less likely to (don't deny it), so number 4 is a bigger risk.
KoD Dusky Sky (Mafia) HW Neo Aaarrrgh Shock (Self) PaK Fred (Mafia) Rag
Role List:
KoD - Behold My Grandeur
At the beginning of each day you gain 3 land counters.
At the beginning of each day you may expend 6 land counters. If you do you may take on the attributes of any creature with a converted mana cost 6 or greater until the start of the next day.
2. Dusky - Vesuvan Doppelganger
At the start of the game you may choose another player. You will gain that players abilities. At the start of each day you may select a new player to copy. You will not gain any of that players colors, card type, or factional abilities.
3. Sky - Lazav the Multifarious
The top card of the library is Rebirth.
Once per night/day cycle you may sacrifice your vote for the next day to become a copy of target dead player’s role. You will gain their abilities but retain your card name, legendary status, and this ability.
4. HW - Wharf Infiltraitor
You start the game with 7 randomly determined card types.
If you are on the successful lynch wagon of the day, you may draw a random card type. If you do you’ll discard a card at random. If you discard a creature type you may sacrifice your vote the next day to create an Eldrazi Horror under your control.
Each night your Eldrazi Horrors may do one of two things. You can either have them attack a player of your choice or defend a player of your choice.
5. Neo - Finest Hour
If a player of your faction is the sole faction member to use an ability during the day or night that ability will be slightly more powerful and that player will be granted a second use of their ability during the next phase.
6. Aaarrrgh - Chainer, Dementia Master
Once during the night you may sacrifice your vote for the next day to resurrect a dead player. They will be a black Nightmare in addition to any types they previously had. All Nightmares are majority +1 to lynch. When you die, all nightmares will be exiled from the game.
7. Shock - Norin the Wary
If a player would use an ability you will be exiled from the game until the end of the current phase.
8. PaK - Haunter
During the night you may target a player. They will have a 50% chance of becoming confused (any targets they make including their vote will become random) for the remainder of the cycle.
During the day, if you’re dead, you may activate this ability to confuse a random living player.
9. Fred - Summon the Pack
Once during the game you may activate this ability to resurrect all dead players that have selected creature cards.
10. Rag - Wielding the Green Dragon
Each night you may target a player. Their power will be quadrupled during the next cycle.
11. Rebirth
Whenever a player dies, they will be given the opportunity to ante up. Ante’ing up will allow that player to come back to life, but their win con will be replaced by a survivor clause. Once a player has ante’d up Rebirth will be expended permanently.
Above contains the original alignments and players of the game. Fred literally had like one post here and one post in the mafia QT which hindered Skystone quite a bit. He was semi-replaced by Zinger after I jokingly put Zinger on the player list and he responded by telling me to send him a role.
Zinger's Role
You start the game with 5 time counters (cuz loyalty points are lame).
During each day you may choose to do one of the following:
You may add one time counter to look at the top two cards of the deck. Put one in your hand and the other on the bottom of the library. If your hand exceeds seven cards, you must discard a card.
You may sacrifice one time counter to untap up to four players. A player untapped this way that has used an ability this phase will have the ability to use their ability again.
You may sacrifice ten time counters to gain the ability to use any of these abilities during the night as well.
You are mafia aligned and will win when you gain control. Your partners are skystone and Fred and you may talk to them here anytime.
Zinger's role is pretty weak as a stand alone, but was designed to compliment Skystone's role and was the only role designed with a partnership in mind since Zings came in late and had a predetermined alignment. Sky's role worked off of creature cards pitched to the graveyard through other means as well, allowing him to generate abilities that weren't there at the start of the game similar to how KoD could as well.
At the time KoD blew the game up Zinger had stepped out as well, missing a full night and most of the game day that event took place, hindering Skystone yet again, which is why I took it upon myself to activate Fred's ability to retcon KoD blowing up the whole game. With that said, KoD obviously gets town MVP with his gamble as it single handedly would have taken out the entire mafia in that specific circumstance. Had Fred come back in time for the vote though he also would have single handedly given mafia the game as well. Much gamble.
The initial lack of flips at the start of the game was from the Rebirth function which would give the dead the option to come back with an additional survivor clause. It was designed to be offered until it was taken and after it was future flips would be revealed (this was to allow mafia the chance to come back under the Rebirth function as well without immediately being lynched again). It was original conceived when it looked like we'd be having a 7ish player game as an extension method and then just left in because why not.
Early in the game there were some mistakes on my part with regard to KoD and Dusky copying/using PaK's randomizer ability. This was during the time he refused to revote to see shenanigans and the mistake was caught before day ended with the only casualty being KoD didn't receive the ability to blow up the game a day earlier as his choice was randomized as well. This was remedied by editing in the correct votes in each vote count that day and refunding his expended counters. All I can say is don't try to run a game from your phone while you're at an amusement park. For reals.
That might be all I had to address. Feel free to question life now.
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Even when Fred is afk I still get screwed over by him.
*Flashbacks to an arrow killing him four days later.*
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
Now that this poll is officially over, it's time to congratulate Aaarrrgh for designing Hill, which has been decided by popular vote to be the Card of the Month for October 2013!
I gained a divinity counter and was immortal so long as I possessed it. I could sac it and kill all players that chose creatures as their cards.
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Minish_Link on 08/02/2020 No one is gonna hold a grudge over a mafia game.
ExLight hahaha stares at KoD
Zinger209908 you are in a better position than you were before KoD saved you from yourselves you should thank him before he kills himself with his hail marry here
funnier6 Also for goodness sake you know KoD could argue until he had sucked all the air in the room and was suffocating on the floor
shadowamber you gotta admit the bus gifs were kinda funny though
Well, I see now why my exile clause frustrated you. That was a beautiful chain of events, though. Just the kind of crazy I was hoping for when I signed up.
Now that this poll is officially over, it's time to congratulate Aaarrrgh for designing Hill, which has been decided by popular vote to be the Card of the Month for October 2013!
How did dusky copy shock? Exactly what caused shock to be exiled? The day where dusky copied sky(no exile) Dusky used sky's ability to copy zinger(no exile) Dusky used the +1= exile was particularly weird Imho.
Dusky and KoD's abilities were subtyped as upkeep choices to prevent shock from being exiled the entire game. The copy of zinger was another vacation miss on my part that I caught hours before deadline but as I told aaarrrgh I was just going to gloss over it since it didn't effect that days Lynch (ie shock wasn't a major contender nor was his vote a lynchpin vote).
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Question is how much before that he will feel forced to act.
I, however, am way less likely to (don't deny it), so number 4 is a bigger risk.
