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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 5:54 pm 
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BG seems really well positioned to beat BG :D

But really, black/green has a lot of great answers and some pretty strong though slow graveyard hate. Exile your things, exile your graveyard, Ritual your izoni tokens, edict your hexproof stuff, win via vraska ult so lifegain is irrelevant. Can this build of BG do well against other stuff? Idk, the sideboard would get stretched thin.

Heavy counter control also seems pretty solid, not sure how it's going to cope with the rest of the field as well though. Wouldn't be surprised to see control decks do well.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 6:50 pm 
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I still think white has the best answers against BG, in the form of tocatli honor guard (shuts down chupacabra and explore) and remorseful cleric to exile graveyards. But those definitely aren't control cards.
I can see these even being main-deckable if BG gets too popular, especially is selesnya or mono-white.
Aggro doesn't look well positioned which can make some other slower decks viable...
I'm messing around with some combo ideas. We'll have to see what works out at the PT.
Meta needs the other ravnica set to bring more deck diversity, I think the viable archetypes are already mostly found.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:14 pm 
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White creatures just seem so weak against Ritual and Finality, you'd need to be killing bg super fast consistently and I don't see that happening with all the cheap creatures bg is playing. Honour guard does seem pretty good, if it can stay on the table it'll do work, but there's a lot of answers to it.

A mono white list did well at the ptq.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:39 am 
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Bg seems pretty weak in the air. So maybe something with flying?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:46 am 
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What aboit splashing white into BG. Knight of Autumn, Remorseful cleric, which you can recurr would make toast of the opposing BG deck.

You both shut down the graveyard and eldest reborn.


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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:21 am 
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So, I predict that Boros/Jeskai angels will be a powerhouse soon, running 2-4 Tocatli maindeck to thwart the mediocre matchup they have against BG.

So as a player who heavily invested into green stomp and some GB, what do you guys think of playing a hybrid between those two? I already play 4x Assassin's Trophy and 2x Find//Finality in my Stomp, but I have value creatures without etb. Finality gets back whatever gets removed and acts as a sweeper. The only nonbo are the Feroxes with spells/walkers, but at 4CMC they still are awesome and hard to deal with.

I'll post the list when I'm home. Probably would add some Vraskas to the mix and go down from 4 feroxes.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:37 am 
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I have the same impression Boros Angels is going strong lately my win rate in the matchup has gone up with Tocali and GY hate but Its very hard when they go full PWs.
And being a heavily Boros invested guy I recommend big Vraska at least 2 main deck, Little Vraska is good but in the matchup is not very important even Karn has done good work so I think a Pw´s top end would be the right call Vs Angels, but overall the deck has gone down this week IME.
EDIT: Phoenix is a powerhouse in the matchup, if they neglect Vraska´s Contemp they are pretty much screwed and I run 3 copies main deck so that has gone great for me, I also added 2 Karns main deck.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 20, 2018 6:45 am 
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Yeah, in he GB deck i run 1 contempt, 2 trophy, 2 big vraska, 1 vivien, 1 small vraska.

Transferring it to green stomp would be easy with the mana available, what holds me back are the 4 feroxes I have... it would pain me to drop them due to the nonbo with walkers...


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:47 pm 
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Tried out some esper control in ladder. Not great mana base, but good enough. Felt really bad against the ladder meta. Seemed like 4/5 opponents were on mono red steamkin/factor/frenzy and the win rate against that on the draw was truly abysmal, while my other opponents were either casting Niv or Tyrant on 6. Maybe I had some really unlucky draws - don't think I had a Ritual on 4 once - but the amount of pressure red put out felt unbeatable even with craving and cast down on time. Ritual felt like a really bad sweeper for a control deck as well. I'll certainly be switching to jeskai or straight UW for my control needs once I have more WC.

Played a few competitive leagues with golgari and the meta there seemed like it'd be much more esper friendly - though as my golgari did great there didn't seem much point. It's good that golgari is strong against red, I think that deck would be everywhere otherwise.


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I have seen very few red decks on B03 and I just had 2 runs to 5 wins with jeskai, so it's probably just variance, on the other hand, I was trying some goofy decks on the ladder and I faced nothing but mono red... dead T5 most times...
Jeskai Control and Boros Angels are giving me the best results.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:28 pm 
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People don't take mono-red to BO3 as it's not competitive enough with sideboarding. For fast BO1 on the other hand...


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People don't take mono-red to BO3 as it's not competitive enough with sideboarding. For fast BO1 on the other hand...


And that's the problem with "Best of 1". It rewards these wild, all-in philosophies. Aggro, even moreso, because of the way they do opening hands, easing the stress on aggro decks from getting a random low land count draw. So they get to burst out of the gate, care very little about what the other side is doing, and try to play Solitaire until they win or run into someone who happened to actively hate out their deck or got a great draw.

I can pilot Esper to 7 wins easy enough, but vs. RDW, it's almost always just decided by the coin flip and whether I have one of my 2 mana removal spells on turn 2. It's just a crapshoot.

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You hit the point. That's why BO1 deckbuilding is different than BO3. You have to either sacrifice something to have a jack-of-all-trades midrange/control deck, have a simple strategy like Stomp/Aggro/combo where no matter what you just drop the threats/assemble or play control/mid and count that you draw your early plays and stabilize.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 12:40 pm 
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Top 8 GP Lille
2 jeskai control
2 GB
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mono blue vs mono red final!


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 1:20 pm 
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And unsurprisingly mono red crushed mono u. So mono red wins a GP. Dammit, there were already a ton of that deck on arena and it's just going to get worse. Please no mono red PT. Mono red is such a miserable deck to have to design around, especially when there are strong control decks too, I'd rather not start deckbuilding by putting in 4 wildgrowth walkers. It's been years of mono red being super strong WoTC, years.


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PostPosted: Sun Oct 28, 2018 2:11 pm 
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I already run 4 wgw in bo1 :D


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A 26 land mono-red deck with a curve that tops at 3?
How the hell does that deck not just flood every single game?
Oh look, a deck with risk factor won...

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AD2016 wrote:
And unsurprisingly mono red crushed mono u. So mono red wins a GP. Dammit, there were already a ton of that deck on arena and it's just going to get worse. Please no mono red PT. Mono red is such a miserable deck to have to design around, especially when there are strong control decks too, I'd rather not start deckbuilding by putting in 4 wildgrowth walkers. It's been years of mono red being super strong WoTC, years.


Come on, monored isn't nearly as strong now as it was before rotation, and it's a hate-able deck.

I'm surprised monoblue made it to the finals. I mean I know it's a decent deck, but the coin flip is a huge deal, and it's heavily heavily heavily dependent on drawing Curious Obsession.


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A 26 land mono-red deck with a curve that tops at 3?
How the hell does that deck not just flood every single game?
Oh look, a deck with risk factor won...

what deck you referring to? Winning from GP Lille was with 22 lands and no risk factor
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NO GB! GB is officially dead :D


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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/s ... 0582#paper

My bad, was looking at the wrong list.

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