It is currently Sun Dec 01, 2024 6:02 am

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 156 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:31 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jul 28, 2015
Posts: 5102
Identity: Male
Preferred Pronoun Set: uhhhhh
Exactly.

Next level strat imo. Would buy an online workshop for thousands of dollars

_________________
KLD Season King of the Hill Winner.
EMN Season King of the Hill Winner.

The one true King of NGA Magic Duels on Xbox One.

You want some? Come get some. You don't like me? Bite me.

Day 1,000 of the never-ending Vert monarchy.

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=16077

Magic's a simple game, 2 people take turns playing cards and in the end Divinevert wins 2-0...


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Mon Oct 15, 2018 10:44 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24, 2017
Posts: 5102
Location: Cucho Lambreta#13992
There is one great LR episode featuring Ben Stark and Huey Jensen where they talk about this, it makes in game decisions a lot different if you think it this way.
And nope you should not focus on winning either you should play in a way that you are constantly increasing your chances of winning, you win by reducing your opponent life to 0 -95% of the times- but often that means you don’t straight up attack every turn.
That also means that pros have 65% winrate so you should know that you are going to lose lots of games, and there is nothing you can do about it.

_________________
NGA HISTORIC LEAGUE
MANA CLINIC
:planeswalker:


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 4:59 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 13, 2016
Posts: 1832
Now for the million dollar question on what did you end up using that Essence scatter?
-Either way if you have a counter and your opponent cast Shalai, you rather miss your counter and lose that open mana in order to save it for a better target?-


Couple of turns later, used it on a Leonin Warleader.

If I had Essence Scatter mana available the turn opponent cast Shalai, I'd have used it to force the Curious Obsession creature through.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:28 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24, 2017
Posts: 5102
Location: Cucho Lambreta#13992
In an effort to save you thousands of dollars here is the link to the Vid:
Note that this is one post produced episode and indeed has the kinda of music a cheese workshop would use -Just ignore the music and avoid puking all over your screen- ;)

https://youtu.be/6W0kEBsZMnA?t=1716

_________________
NGA HISTORIC LEAGUE
MANA CLINIC
:planeswalker:


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:51 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 29, 2015
Posts: 1220
Location: Bend, OR
divinevert wrote:
Banedon wrote:

In hindsight that looks good but that could also mean using the Essence Scatter ... since I only had one copy, what if I Scatter his Shalai and then the turn after he plays an unbeatable card like Lyra?

Ben Stark says that you should not care about winning you should care about giving yourself the best chance to win in every play


So I should not care about winning; I should focus on winning?


I think this is basically saying to focus on your process and not individual results.

_________________
Twitch: https://www.twitch.tv/wintervoidx
YouTube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ4WOy ... BgwzjA-FsQ


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:56 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jul 28, 2015
Posts: 5102
Identity: Male
Preferred Pronoun Set: uhhhhh
Wintervoid wrote:
divinevert wrote:
Ben Stark says that you should not care about winning you should care about giving yourself the best chance to win in every play


So I should not care about winning; I should focus on winning?


I think this is basically saying to focus on your process and not individual results.


I know. I'm a poker player. I was just teasing the weird phrasing.

_________________
KLD Season King of the Hill Winner.
EMN Season King of the Hill Winner.

The one true King of NGA Magic Duels on Xbox One.

You want some? Come get some. You don't like me? Bite me.

Day 1,000 of the never-ending Vert monarchy.

viewtopic.php?f=38&t=16077

Magic's a simple game, 2 people take turns playing cards and in the end Divinevert wins 2-0...


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:44 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 13, 2016
Posts: 1832
Goddamn this game is so hard.

Board: me Mist-Cloaked Herald with two Curious Obsession + Siren Stormtamer + 4 lands
Him: three Wildgrowth Walker + 4 lands

I'd been beating him down for a few turns so he was at 12 life, and my Curious Obsession had kept my hand stacked. Enter turn five ...

Me: attack you for four, draw Nightveil Sprite, play it, leave two mana up and holding both Wizard's Retort and Essence Scatter.
Me: do you surrender??
Him: Merfolk Branchwalker.
Me: Essence Scatter.
Him: Land, Jadelight Ranger, go up to 26 life, hit you for nine.

I concede. Why I did not leave up two counterspells, I'll never know.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:26 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Aug 08, 2018
Posts: 595
Haha. You know you'd love that turn from the other player's PoV :D

Basic anti-counter-measure to make him counter a weak(er) card so he can't counter the big one.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2018 3:39 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 13, 2016
Posts: 1832
Sol77_bla wrote:
Haha. You know you'd love that turn from the other player's PoV :D

Basic anti-counter-measure to make him counter a weak(er) card so he can't counter the big one.


I'd probably have lost even if I countered Jadelight Ranger. A single Explore at that point was worth 9 life and 6 damage. Massive mistake on my part not to leave up two counterspells there, because there's no other way I could've lost the game.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 12:55 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 13, 2016
Posts: 1832
I'm playing a controlling Dimir deck in GRN draft. I'm on the play, and the game goes like this:

T1: Me land go, him land go.
T2: Me land Passwall Adept, him land Sunhome Stalwart

It's turn 3, and my hand is Dimir Informant, Watcher in the Mist, Muse Drake, Thought Erasure and one land (I mulliganed). What's the play?

I went with Dimir Informant both to find more lands and to be mana efficient, but I'm seriously questioning not playing Thought Erasure now to break up his curve. As it was he played Roc Charger the next turn which was mentored up, and I was at 7 life before I stabilized (actually 3 but I gained 4 with Severed Strands). Again I had the option to be mana efficient or to play Thought Erasure, and this time I went with Thought Erasure which proved to be correct because he was holding a lethal Cyclotronic Wave. Should I have played Thought Erasure on turn 3?


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:31 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Feb 29, 2016
Posts: 2899
Location: Portugal
I find that discard effects in limited are usually at their best if used early, especially to screw up their curve and gain some tempo. Later on they tend to lose value because hands tend to get emptier.
But I'm not a huge fan of discard in limited and they don't usually make the cut.

_________________
Give me land, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire! :mage:
My Duels Youtube Channel


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:17 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 25, 2013
Posts: 4316
Creature I think, forces him to use a trick to barely trade up in mana and might allow a turn 4 muse drake, you get punished by maniacal rage and some uncommons iirc, and maybe by letting a skiknight legionnaire attack once?

Two mana targeted discard is decent if it has no or next to no restiction.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Oct 24, 2018 9:27 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24, 2017
Posts: 5102
Location: Cucho Lambreta#13992
T2 Thought Erasure is at its best IMO

_________________
NGA HISTORIC LEAGUE
MANA CLINIC
:planeswalker:


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:14 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 13, 2016
Posts: 1832
Game 3 with Selesnya tokens vs. Dimir control. The field looked something like this come turn 4:

Me: Adanto Vanguard, Knight token, History of Benalia @ 2nd chapter
Him: nothing (lands only)

I know he has Fungal Infection + Ritual of Soot in his deck, as well as Disinformation Campaigns and The Eldest Reborn (at least these were in game 2 - he might've taken them out after seeing Nullhide Ferox).

My play for the turn is either Nullhide Ferox or another History of Benalia. What's the play?

I went with History to save Ferox in hand for any future "discard a card" effects, but he had the right answers to kill both Vanguard and Knight. Thought Erasure revealed I was holding Nullhide Ferox, and since I hadn't drawn my fifth mana I had to play Nullhide Ferox the turn after the sweepers. It was killed by The Eldest Reborn and I lost with opponent at 4 life when it reanimated my Carnage Tyrant (earlier discarded by Thought Erasure).

If I had played Ferox, I'd likely have won - in fact it's in the deck for this very reason, as a big threat that either trades up vs. single-target removal (= lets rest of board attack) or survives sweepers. This was a special case though because I was playing against Dimir control, and I had a reasonable other play for the turn. What's the right play?


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 1:38 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Feb 29, 2016
Posts: 2899
Location: Portugal
Benalia into benalia is usually a very strong play, but sometimes opponents just have all the answers.
I would probably have played the same and lost too...

_________________
Give me land, Give me fire, Give me that which I desire! :mage:
My Duels Youtube Channel


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Sat Dec 01, 2018 8:15 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Apr 24, 2017
Posts: 5102
Location: Cucho Lambreta#13992
Benalia into Benalia Vs Control is not a good play IME I would rather mix things, with 4 cmc creatures to play around Soot, I would have played Fox in your spot, I have been blown out too many times by soot at this stage of the season.

_________________
NGA HISTORIC LEAGUE
MANA CLINIC
:planeswalker:


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 03, 2018 7:13 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Aug 08, 2018
Posts: 595
I'm with Cucho. As much as I like Benalia tokens (my #1 favorite card art), the point is, your opponent needs to kill the token(s) you already have. Now whatever does that will likely also kill any additional tokens en passant. The Foxy on the other hand demands a very specific answer and demands so much mana that your token(s) are likely to live and swing another day. Your situation sounds like he played Golden Demise (removing Adanto and tokens) into Thought Erasure on his t5. That would have left your Foxy intact. If he had opted to kill him, that would've cost at least 4 mana, leaving 1 mana to Fungal Infection Adanto and chump-block the Benalia 3 attack of one token. Worstest case scenario ;)

Keeping Foxy in hand as discard-fodder is probably too cute in this situation given that you're not in game 1 (for he knows about it).

But.. remember that in hindsight we're all "pros" ;) I can't say I would have come to this conclusion during the game. Maybe yes, maybe not, but my usual learning process is to make the wrong call first, realize it later and remember it every time that situation comes up in the future. So thanks for sharing this.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Mon Dec 10, 2018 7:45 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 13, 2016
Posts: 1832
Had two interesting situations yesterday.

1. Postboard Selesnya tokens vs. Golgari midrange. Both of us are in topdeck mode and comfortable life totals. The board is:

Him: Doom Whisperer, 2 Llanowar Elves, 2 Ravenous Chupacabra
Me: 2 Thorn Lieutenant, Emmara, 1/1 lifelink token, 2 2/2 knight token, History @ 2nd chapter

He draws for the turn and attacks with everything. What's the play?

Spoiler


2. GRN draft, Dimir vs. Boros. I don't remember the situation clearly anymore, but it was fairly early in the game so both of us still had cards in hand. The board is:

Him: Legion Guildmage, Goblin Banneret, 3 lands
Me: tapped Nightveil Sprite, untapped 4/4 Thoughtbound Phantasm, ~4 (?) lands

He plays Gird for Battle, buffs Goblin Banneret, and attacks. The Banneret mentors the Guildmage to 4/4 and is attacking as a 4/2. I'm at 18 life. Do I trade?

Spoiler


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:06 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Oct 13, 2016
Posts: 1832
Seeking opinions on this because it's something I might be doing wrong. I don't have the exact situation anymore, but the board looked something like this:

Opponent (Esper control): about 8 lands, Chemister's Insight in the graveyard, nothing else in play, 5 cards in hand. Opponent is at 13 life.
Me (Temur reclamation): about 7 lands, Rekindling Phoenix in play, Wilderness Reclamation in play, 6 cards in hand including two Niv-Mizzet, two Sinister Sabotage, and another Wilderness Reclamation, but no lands.

It's post-board. Do I play Niv-Mizzet?

Spoiler


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: What's the play?
PostPosted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 7:43 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Mar 07, 2015
Posts: 2190
Location: Austria
Preferred Pronoun Set: he/him
Waiting would be the better option. No doubt about it.
But I think nearly everyone would have played Niv-Mizzet in that situation.

_________________
AI Art


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 156 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group