I hate UW control with a passion. There is nothing more un-fun than counterspells. Well, maybe mill. Duels Acid Moss come back, all is forgiven! So my plan is to get as high on the ladder as I can do within a reasonable amount of time, and then play the best anti-UW deck possible, regardless of how it suck against other decks. So, what would that anti-deck be? Or maybe rotation will make UW control go away? Still, would love to have something to aim for. Suggestions welcome.



Turbo mill? Is that meant to be irony? It's the opposite of turbo. Syrup mill. infinetesimal mill. I played against it one time so far in Arena (just been playing a few weeks) and it was an awful experience. Not sure how it differs from UW control.

Remove Teferi and Nexus of Fate from the cardpool, add in Haunted Dead and Prized Amalgam and I'll throw money at the screen.

The deck is meta call and is one great meta call coz the win rate Vs RB and Gb is somewhere 75-80%, however the deck withers against control G1.

Aggro has Throne as the universal answer to the deck if you are Red you can get access to Insult, Fight with fire, Banefire just to name a few.

Control could just run 4 negates and 4 syncopates G2 and lose about every other form of removal.

The deck is really cool and can adapt for G2 also but is not as oppressive as it appears, if only that thing didn't run 8 fog effects...

One cool thing of the deck is that you get incremental chances of drawing Nexus of Fate over and over, coz you always have 4 copies of it on your library.

Fog is the new big thing because a bunch of players took it to the Pro tour, so all the net-decking trolls just lapped it up.

Looks like I'll stick with suicide black until rotation.

Running Grixis Control that does poorly G1 (PW based, not counterspells) but after sideboard I add 4 Duress, 4 Negate and 3 Cruel Reality. The realities are very fun vs Nexus. Go ahead and take Extra turns. Their main out is Telfari played out of hand in most cases.

Damn, I’m tired of seeing Teferi... keld red usually takes care of most of the meta, but struggles vs BR.

I’m thinking of an anti-meta GR midrange deck, what’s your opinion?

It needs to be explosive against control with probably serpopards as anti-counterspells, needs burn against fog/aggro and a good way of handling BR.

Mh, apparently the pros haven't found a meta call against the B/R dominance

Mono green stompy isn't too bad vs control imo. But it might need some sideboard splash to handle Turbo Fog. Like 8 blue/green check lands and 2 Negates.

Yeah, but they're playing BO3 with Sideboards. I think BO1 gets most play in MTGA. At least that's what I play 95% of time.

Yes, me too. I suppose that's an obvious call. Against strangers I don't really mind losing a game "only because of mana issues". In a kitchen game, I prefer Bo3 ;D

The weakness of keld red are the X/1 creatures. Maybe it would be good to replace those with Voltaic, Longtusk Cub, Rhonas, Blossoming Defense?

I’ve been playing esper control. I miss languish. Scarab god and teferi as win cons is good but I’m losing to other control builds and rdw. But I just got the beta yesterday. Haven’t played much.

If I’m spending money, only buy the most recent set? What about M19? How long will that stick around?

I've found this site yesterday that shows which sets are in Standard:
https://whatsinstandard.com/

So you might not want to invest into the sets that will rotate come October. Many players believe that that will bring a full wipe anyway, but you have been warned. Aside from that, I'd say make up your mind what you would like to play in Constructed and pursue the most important cards of that deck. Either buy those packs directly or (better) play a Quick Draft when that is available for your desired set.

It's not a belief, Wizards has said there'll be a wipe: https://magic.wizards.com/en/mtgarena/faq



So just buy whatever you want and only worry about the collection after the next wipe.

Didn't mean "if" but "when".

Well that’s good.

So I hate RDW and I like control or value midrange. I feel like we’re missinf some sweepers in Standard.

So have we figured out anything to beat both U/x control or RDW.

I’ll buy my way to victory, but I need somewhere to start. I have an esper control build with all the good stuff. So if I could keep UB or UW midrange, I’d like to.

In quick play I think there is no deck that can handle both RDW and Control coz both strategies are so extreme and opposite. On the other hand, I`m having remarkable results with my Orzhov Angels list in best of three where you can tweak your deck for any given matchup. I do think is a solid deck in this meta and T1 material. It has great threats and versatile answers.

Yeah, my UWb control deck basically boards in situational counters (more Essence Scatters, Sealed Away, Authority of the Consuls for RDW; Jace's Defeat, more Negate for the mirror or Nexus Fog). For midrange, I kind of have to basically punt and change minimally to see how they transform (I expect green will board Serpopards and Carnage Tyrants and blue will board in Negates to cancel sweepers).

RDW has very little post-board strategy. Mostly just siding Abrades for more threat density.

hey so my Esper Control isn't making me any fast friends. I had one guy just text me "pu$$y" and another repeatedly rode out the pause timer to extend the match to at least 40 minutes before losing.

..still fun tho

They hate us cuz they ain't us

Rb aggro/midrange can handle both. In bo3 it just gets better too and has ok game vs fog, it's not the strongest deck in standard for no reason.

I'm quite enjoying uG stompy, seems pretty horrible for control to face 5/4s backed by negate and it's got the big butts to give rdw conniptions. Not as good as Rb though clearly.