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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:41 pm 
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also i just realized we only have six people alive

i forget who had their alignments confirmed on death and who hasnt

but im pretty sure that at least one person who died as unknown was a bad, bad man

unless this current setup is actually 3 scum 1 self 2 town

in which case we're all boned anyways

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:59 pm 
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okay i went back and looked at the day night posts and cross referenced with dead people

argh, sneakyfox, and neosilk died and flipped unknown

niklor, fred, and kod died town

and pk died as special aligned

of note, argh was daykilled by fred, sneaky and neosilk were both nightkilled on nights where there were no other kills

rubik has claimed responsibility for the sneaky kill, nobody has done so for the neosilk kill yet

so i'm floating a few possibilities around in my mind

1a. argh was mafia, probably the least valuable scenario for us, as it gives the least info
1b. argh was town, same as above, fred killing argh really leads to not that much info
the most we can do is look back and see if argh actually interacted with anybody in the time he was alive, but from what i remember he was mostly lurky
will probably do a reread eventually but im hella lazy

2a. sneaky was mafia, probably means rubik is town because he killed her
but this begs the question, what happened to the mafia nightkill?
maybe the nightkill was doc'ed or roleblocked? who knows
2b. sneaky was town, now we get into some heavy wifom stage
rubik might be town and wrongly killed sneaky, and the mafia nightkill could have been prevented somehow
or rubik is secret scum and the sneaky kill was the mafia nightkill
probably worth rereading sneaky's statements at some point
but then again i remember sneaky being even less helpful than argh

3a. neo was mafia, who the heck killed him? the vigger was probably town, which again begs the question of what happened to the mafia nightkill?
same logic as with sneaky's death, although we might be able to get a bit more from it considering there are less players this day and therefore less potential interference
3b. neo was town, was he the mafia nightkill then? why did his role end up getting hidden?
probably the most possible info that could be gained from a reread here, considering neosilk actually played the game like a player and not as a mannequin

one or more of the above three scenarios is probably true

investigating possible roleblock/doc targets might be a good course of action

i remember that jd can roleblock
and maybe altimis can as well? I don't remember exactly what his abilities do
no idea what rubik's role does

but there is a reasonable chance that the mafia nightkill was prevented at some point
so figuring out which abilities could have caused the block would give us a good indication of who is suspicious

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:04 am 
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It's all up to JD who is going to win this game.
But if he's determined to not lose his votes, I'm determined to not get voted by him.

Players in order of how I would like to vote:

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Really, any non JD, non alt vote works for me.
Then, presuming JD was telling the truth, as long as JD wants to keep his double votes, Town wins.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:06 am 
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JD and alt are pseudo useless as I'm target JD and JD is targeting me. Thus we get no where, because JD will target me even if I try to target someone else.

It's a stale mate that I'm willing to tolerate as it helps me find my way to the end. I can't complain really, but I'm hating every minute of it. Well, every 59 seconds of a minute of it.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:46 am 
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I am Spider Man Mafia 2 and, by extension, the Hobgoblin.

I have a second vote through my MuP, much like SMM3 (JD).

I have the ability to write the newspaper (which was part of my role in SMM2) as well as either night-kill or mind-control a player's vote. I tried to kill PK night 1 and then successfully killed sneaky night 2. Since I discovered that my NK doesn't give information, I've been using the mind control to neutralize one of JD's votes by making him vote for someone who feels a bit scummy to me (JaC) and to help eliminate PK (I had him vote for himself yesterday). The JD vote control was largely because him having a 2 vote swing could mean him teaming up with scum to close out a game fairly effectively.

My win condition is normal town as far as I'm aware.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 2:47 am 
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Silly wrote:
also i targeted rag last night

her name right now is "Town-Aligned Vanilla Townie Super Cop"

i assume that this means that rag is town

And Freddeh was mod-confirmed "scum".

The fact that Rag's role is a role and not a game makes me a bit suspicious, tbh.


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 4:44 am 
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So...I got a message last night saying I am marked for death and will die the coming night.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 6:55 am 
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Wait, so if alt is lone mafia he is not the killer and if jac is lone mafia the game has already ended?


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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 7:13 am 
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3-2-1 is probably a legit scenario bit I'd call the 3 and the 1 just not town. The discrepancy between PaKs flip and the OP gives credence to my earlier theory about secret not being a faction but a collection of alignments. Best course of action is to just pick out most likely scum each day and repeat until game end. Super basic right?

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 8:19 am 
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To be honest, I think calling me a lone mafia is something you can't do right now. I'm not saying "I'm not mafia", I'm simply saying that "I'm the last mafia" seems less plausible than you seem to give credit for.
Sure, I'm biased and nobody has to believe me OBVs, but my ability only killed someone if they were on my team, they would still be alive if they were not.
That said, at this point, you'd have to assume I'm working with someone and not be alone.
Just my two cents, based on how the game has gone.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 10:10 am 
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Just a quick heads up, with it being Thanksgiving and all, I'm going to be on vacation from Nov 21st to Nov 26th.

I will still have internet access and will still be able to post, but my activity may or may not be sporadic depending on the activities that I am doing each day.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:16 pm 
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So...I got a message last night saying I am marked for death and will die the coming night.

please elaborate

also at this point i'd like an actual claim

i'm assuming that the game is very close to over, and you're the only person whose role is still basically hidden

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:22 pm 
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also, this is pretty straightforward to figure out since i haven't exactly been concealing this info

but here are the dudes that i have targeted each night

n1: nonexistent
n2: pk
n3: kod (roleblocked)
n4: dungeon
n5: neosilk
n6: rag

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:01 am 
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I'll fullclaim my results now

N2: Targeted PK
N3: Targeted Silly. Silly has a survivor win-con and no bastard notes.
N4: Targeted Rubik. Rubik is ancient egypt aligned, his win condition is to post 50 times a day and be super awesome. His bastard notes are "The information you have pertaining to ragnarokio is false"
N5: Targeted Myself. "Your target's" win condition is to be lynched on day 7. They have no bastard notes. The usage of the phrase "My target" when zinger has otherwise used names or pronouns leads me to believe I was redirected. Zinger confirmed to me afterwards that my win condition was still the standard town win-con.
N6: Targeted JaC. Was told that they had the town win-con (kill all mafia) and had no bastard notes.

N4's result is pretty out of place

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 7:41 am 
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Lynch Rubik and call it a day then? I mean the guy just admitted to almost single handedly being majority and he's not self. Could still be ancient Egyptian but who knows.

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What's the deal with altimis again? He ended the day early at the start and can also revive people but they might become corrupted? Or maybe it was neo who ended the day early hmm

there's a lot going on but JD, Rubik, and Altimis seem like potential lynches for me

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 9:43 am 
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I can confirm that all results from ragnarokio's investigations are true.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:37 pm 
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I admitted to having an effective lynch value of 3 in case people decide I'm not worth keeping alive, but I'd prefer people believe me when I say that I'm town and let me decrease the chance of a scum win.

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I don't believe that you actually can confirm that, HW. If you could, you'd probably have been a lot more helpful this game than you have been.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:38 pm 
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I'm still willing to nightkill myself if the majority of players want me to, but I'd prefer not to.


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vigging yourself is not a standard town play

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