Yeah, mindless garbage like Citizen Kane, All the President's Men, The Godfather...

You must realize that your statement is reductive and argumentative. Painting with broad strokes, you miss all the details.

Besides, where is it written that all cinema needs to be high art? Meaningless entertainment is a valid pursuit. Imagine if every movie was a thoughtful treatise on the nature of human existence. Pretty dull. It's okay to enjoy the occasional explosionfest, too.

Further, by singling out Hollywood, but not all movies, your statement implies that movies made outside of Hollywood are inherently superior. I would submit they are no better or worse, as a whole.

Finally, are you seriously implying that Gymkata is anything less than a masterpiece? A classic for the ages? Oh, Baba... why must we fight like this?

Kind of on topic but seems a Magic MMO is being created: https://venturebeat.com/2017/06/07/magi ... ng-an-mmo/
Though it seems like the company running it do things a bit half arsed like Stainless does with duels, though also sounds like they eventually get things right and make profitable MMOs.

Don't forget Gandhi. Hollywood literally liberated an entire subcontinent and the academy didn't even think it was worth of an award.

Hell or High Water was really good. And Moonlight was a great movie, but I'm not sure Moonlight counts as a "Hollywood" movie. Hell or High Water was definitely a Hollywood movie.

Uhhhh..... what soup said. Why say anything when he said it so well?

Both those movies were amazing Sixty. I was gonna mention Moonlight and Manchester by the Sea but I don't think they are Hollywood movies necessarily either

So, then, this furthers my argument; what, exactly, is a Hollywood movie?

It's easy to hate on Hollywood, and there is certainly enough garbage, but it's not all bad.

And I stand by my statement that Gymkata stands alongside all the great film masterpieces.

been too long without any drama, I can't stand this sub when everyone is cordial

and honestly, I've seen almost no western movies. but the only person I can piss off by insulting anime is mjack

Even if you're not into westerns, I can still recommend Clint Eastwood's Unforgiven. That movie is a real stripping down of westerns, doing away with any of the glamour an illusion of the old westerns, giving a more accurate portrayal of the grim business of gunslinging and how truly awful it must have been. Truly great performances.

I grew up on Robotech and used to love anime. Now that there is so much, so readily available, it seems there is more crap anime than ever. I hear tell of some good ones now and then, but they all seem so same-y that I am not compelled to try them out. I haven't been really intrigued by any anime since Gantz.

oh wow Gantz that takes me back, if you liked robotech you should watch Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagonn. or more recently One Punch Man, Mob Psych 100, Re:Creators. Hunter x Hunter is also good fun but is kind of long. ugh Steins;Gate was pretty good to I guess

Since I live in LA I'll attempt this. A Hollywood movie doesn't necessarily need all of these things to be considered a Hollywood movie.

First, if it's made within the Thirty Mile Zone (TMZ) (no I'm not talking about the show TMZ, this is just where they got their name from) it's a Hollywood movie. The TMZ covers anything within a Thirty Mile radius of Hollywood. It covers the vast majority of LA and The Valley (where Burbank and a majority of TV/Movie studios are) and some outlying areas, like the South Bay area which isn't technically in Los Angeles, but is in LA County. But, it doesn't have to be made in the TMZ to be considered Hollywood.

Movies made by major Hollywood Studios count as well. Sometimes movies have to be made in remote locations due to environment effects. A recent example would be Revenant. A movie Distributed by FOX, and produced by componies like Rat-Pac Dune and Anonymous Content. This movie was made in Alaska and South America due to the snowy mountainy terrain.

Movies made with major Hollywood Actors/Directors but not made in Hollywood. Example Lord of the Rings. Directed by Peter Jackson and staring several big name actors but made in New Zealand.

Movies written by well-known, established Hollywood writers but not made in Hollywood. I can't think of any examples off the top of my head because I don't follow writers that well. I was gonna say Scarface but then I remebered that only a small part of it was shot in Miami because the Miami tourist board had issues with how the Cubans were portrayed and the fact that NO cubans were cast. Most of Scarface was shot in LA but the mansion scenes were shot in Santa Barbra, outside the TMZ.


I would say Manchester by the Sea is. Casey Afflek is a well-known actor. Hell, he's an Afflek. Also has established actress Michelle Williams from Dawson's Creek. Also written by Kenneth Lonergan (who I didn't know until now) who wrote Gangs of New York and You Can Count On Me (I haven't seen this but it's a Scorsese directed film) so I think he counts as a Hollywood Writer.

I just got off a 4 month night shift stint. The other supervisor I worked with just recently got into Studio Ghibly(sp?) and spent all of his excess time during those 4 months watching EVERY movie made by Studio Ghibli(sp?). I haven't watched them but he said most of them were of superior quality. Maybe try those if you're looking for good anime. I remember a cat wearing a tuxedo movie that he said was really good, and i think there's 2 or 3 with that tuxedo cat.

Well for sure having Hollywood actors in a movie doesn't make it a Hollywood movie. Actors can be in arthouse movies that it doesn't make that movie a non-limited release just cuz of a big actor. I think hollywood movie means big budget and big studio.

I can't spell Ghibly either, lol. You haven't watched any, Sixty? Dude, I HIGHLY HIGHLY recommend Spirited Away. It's frickin' magical. Amazing film. I don't think it's considered Anime though, but Yumi knows this stuff more than me.

Studio Ghibli, personally my favorite is Howl's Moving Castle but all of them are well made films

and yes they are considered anime, although Miyazki has some... lets say choice things to say about anime

I don't have a lot of time to watch movies. I'm very selective about what I watch and I've just never really been in to anime. That's not a critique on anime. I don't hate anime. I've seen a few that I did enjoy but nothing that ever really got me into it.

Is Spirited Away the one.... nvm. I just read the first paragraph of the plot on it's wiki page. This is one that I saw my colleague watching and, while I'm sure it's a great movie, I'm not interested at all. sry but thx.


In regards to Hollywood Movies. I sort of agree. As with Moonlight, it had Mahershala Ali in it. He's not a Big-Name actor but he is an established actor. What I mean is that; most people have seen his work. You could pick him out of a crowd and say, "I've seen that guy before, he's an actor in something or other." But you're probably not going to remember his name if you walked past him on the street. He's not the type of actor that Sells a movie by being the leading role but he's established as a quality actor. He is a Hollywood guy. However, Moonlight was written by someone who I can't really say would be considered a Hollywood Writer/Director. He's not from the LA area and rarely works here, his work on HBOs "The Leftovers," by his own account, was limited, if not minuscule. The movie was shot in Miami, and used locations that Jenkins (writer/director) was familiar with from his childhood.

However, in the other example, Manchester by the Sea, you have not just 1 but 2 well known actors/actresses as well as several of other established actors (some having done TV work previously instead of movies). The director while not a household name has worked on a few Hollywood films in the past. I'm finding it hard to think of or find movies that have Hollywood Actors in them, but do not have Hollywood Directors or a Hollywood Writer. It seems these established actors really only want to work with people that they know are going to make good movies so maybe they take less chances. If you can find an example of a well-known actor in the Lead Role of a movie that's not written/directed/produced by another well-known Hollywood type, let me know.

Spirited Away was trash.

just like Hitler you are entitled to your opinion

Seriously, you're going to invoke Godwins law over anime?

So
When exactly does Salusa Secundus get nuked, forcing House Corrino to move the imperial seat to Kaitan?

And...
You ready for some PS3 Duels this evening sixty?
I started work at 3am today and have a 6am start for tomorrow but I'm up for a few games. Have a couple new ffa friends I think you will enjoy playing with.

I think Yumi's reply is justified. Vert posted something that is technically more offensive than the Holocaust

Thank you.

And like Hitler, your opinions are bad and dangerous.