It is currently Wed Dec 04, 2024 3:23 pm

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 40 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:22 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jun 08, 2016
Posts: 622
Location: noun, a particular place or position
Identity: Protozoan
Preferred Pronoun Set: Soup/Soup's/Soupself
I really like the Bloodrage Brawler! This low casting cost and the discard outlet makes me get all kinds of good Madness feelings in my deck-building glands.

I see a lost more discard outlets coming out with this set and Aether Revolt. Can we see more badass vampire madness decks?

_________________
Sshhh! I'm two goblins in a trenchcoat!


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:39 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Nov 03, 2013
Posts: 7277
Location: Your Head
Identity: Im not a cat
He was really good at the Prerelease, in sealed. In Madness though, don't you want this guy on T3 so you can cast an Alms or Temper? Not sure how aggressive to play this guy, T2 or T3

_________________
Secretly aspires to be a Nihilist.

NGA's First Historic Tournament Champion


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:02 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jun 08, 2016
Posts: 622
Location: noun, a particular place or position
Identity: Protozoan
Preferred Pronoun Set: Soup/Soup's/Soupself
Sure, maybe not in the earliest turns, but with Hazoret's Fervour, put him out with a discard card, give him haste and +2/+0 and send him off to die, he's a decent mini-bomb.

_________________
Sshhh! I'm two goblins in a trenchcoat!


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:06 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 20, 2013
Posts: 806
Location: Bama gulf coast
Preferred Pronoun Set: SleepHmper on XBL add me
I play him with recursive zombies/scroungers/aftermath cards that I don't mind chucking to the gy so I feel good about dropping him turn 2.

I really enjoy a good hellbent madness deck that is trying to use the gy to hold additional playable cards. So many options.

_________________
The Last Fight Club Champion
Image
"If there can be no victory, then I will fight forever."
—Koth of the Hammer


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 10:54 pm 
Offline
Member

Joined: Nov 03, 2013
Posts: 7277
Location: Your Head
Identity: Im not a cat
I play him with recursive zombies/scroungers/aftermath cards that I don't mind chucking to the gy so I feel good about dropping him turn 2.

I really enjoy a good hellbent madness deck that is trying to use the gy to hold additional playable cards. So many options.


Yeah, that's a stronk play. I **** love rakdos

_________________
Secretly aspires to be a Nihilist.

NGA's First Historic Tournament Champion


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:14 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Jul 19, 2014
Posts: 1282
I'm currently looking at it this way - it's 4 power for 2 mana and a discard. What are your percentages for this card getting in for 4 damage? Now what are your odds that it gets a second attack (so 8 damage overall). In the R/G beatdown thread, I'm pairing this card up with several other 4 damage turn 2 or turn 3 plays with the idea that you could be threatening lethal by turn 5 (assuming you curve and everything isn't removed :V). At this point I don't really care what I'm discarding. It's nice to have synergy if possible but the potential clock this card creates is worth the discard value imo (especially if it's land or duplicate/dead draw). Yes it can be 2 for 1 value for your opponent if they can remove it but they did use removal on a 2CMC card potentially making your later cards stronger. If they don't remove it, it's causing bad blocks and/or trading up and/or putting them on a clock. I'm sure there will be games where it's the play and every discard sucks or you have multiples of the Brawler which will cripple your hand but in the end, what is the frequency of those occurrences vs. the cards overall performance (it's just that we're more likely to remember the crappy situations of having to toss away gas and it sucking). So far it's been super aggressive and IMO performing quite well even with it's potential downsides.

TL:DR - I think the card is great


elk

_________________
oh SHUT UP ELK


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 11:37 pm 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: May 05, 2015
Posts: 2821
Location: zz
Identity: Nah.
Preferred Pronoun Set: ---
I have gotten so many 2 for 1s off of him with Fatal Push lately.

_________________
GameCenter ID: zzmorg82_

Link to my smilies: https://imgur.com/a/HJMsX


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:53 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Mar 18, 2016
Posts: 5367
Location: Anyway the wind blows
Identity: doesnt really matter
Preferred Pronoun Set: to me
So he's aggro/beatdown AND control's favorite new creature :V

_________________
Duels Decklists, updated 10/03/19

Yes I’m fine with killing women and children.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:16 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Oct 28, 2014
Posts: 4373
So he's aggro/beatdown AND control's favorite new creature :V


That's why I'd consider him better as a 3 drop. Chuck Brawler down, throw a Fiery Temper at face or a blocker/walker if you're on the draw. 4/3 that discards 1 and pings for 3 is still great mana value, arguably better.

_________________
^ NGA's resident embodiment of "Poe's Law".


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:22 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 20, 2013
Posts: 806
Location: Bama gulf coast
Preferred Pronoun Set: SleepHmper on XBL add me
So he's aggro/beatdown AND control's favorite new creature :V

So it's official, everyone loves seeing him on the battle field.
Spoiler

_________________
The Last Fight Club Champion
Image
"If there can be no victory, then I will fight forever."
—Koth of the Hammer


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:24 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Nov 03, 2013
Posts: 7277
Location: Your Head
Identity: Im not a cat
I'm thinking he's going to replace the Asylum Visitors in my madness burn deck. I don't ever get much value out of them anyways with only 1 toughness. I think this does more work and takes an extra turn off the clock that AV doesn't.

_________________
Secretly aspires to be a Nihilist.

NGA's First Historic Tournament Champion


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 1:55 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Dec 19, 2015
Posts: 1855
Brawler is just amazing. A 4/3 attacking on Turn 3 is great (most of the time you have a card in hand you don't mind discarding), and the discard gives him plenty of upside later in the game given the right deck.

_________________
My decks can be found in my deckbuilder archive. Enter here!


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:27 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Sep 25, 2013
Posts: 4317
On paper isn't heir of falkenrath a lot better?


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:30 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Oct 28, 2014
Posts: 4373
On paper isn't heir of falkenrath a lot better?


Well it is a 3/2 flying T3 with the benefit of madness-casting anything up to 3 mana (Youths for example). That's a specific scenario though.

_________________
^ NGA's resident embodiment of "Poe's Law".


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:52 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Dec 19, 2015
Posts: 1855
On paper isn't heir of falkenrath a lot better?


Depends. Heir is a tad easier to remove and brings one point less power to the table, but it has flying and a more flexible timing when to discard.

In a pure aggro shell I'd prefer Brawler, in a shell relying on Madness I'd prefer Heir.

_________________
My decks can be found in my deckbuilder archive. Enter here!


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:57 am 
Offline
Member

Joined: Nov 03, 2013
Posts: 7277
Location: Your Head
Identity: Im not a cat
On paper isn't heir of falkenrath a lot better?


You're trading +1/+1 for Flying and a slightly more versatile Discard.

Heir is the better T2 play imo. I've also, rarely, had the opponent point 1 damage at the Heir only to have it be pointless after Transform, but I chalk that up to n00bs and don't give it too much weight in my consideration.

I say run them both if hellbent/madness is your goal.


edit: sniped by modulo

_________________
Secretly aspires to be a Nihilist.

NGA's First Historic Tournament Champion


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:09 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 25, 2015
Posts: 1431
Preferred Pronoun Set: Xhir/xhim, depending on Moon phase
Exactly, he's more or less on par with Heir...which means that when the novelty wears off, he's gonna be almost forgotten. Certainly worse than Voltaics.

Exemplar of Strengh is another better 2 drop, just to name a new one.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:26 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Dec 19, 2015
Posts: 1855
which means that when the novelty wears off, he's gonna be almost forgotten


Don't think so TBH. IMO he's one of the best 2-drops Red has access to ATM.

_________________
My decks can be found in my deckbuilder archive. Enter here!


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:27 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 20, 2013
Posts: 806
Location: Bama gulf coast
Preferred Pronoun Set: SleepHmper on XBL add me
Exactly, he's more or less on par with Heir...which means that when the novelty wears off, he's gonna be almost forgotten. Certainly worse than Voltaics.

Exemplar of Strengh is another better 2 drop, just to name a new one.

So you are saying a 2cmc 4 power creature that doesn't care about energy or have any attack clause isn't worth remembering?

I think heavy red or mono red likes the bloodrage over Heir. You have to pick your tribe, vamps or minotaurs and go with it. I have always been a fan of Heir as well but that extra 1/1 sans flying has been pretty good in my limited testing.

_________________
The Last Fight Club Champion
Image
"If there can be no victory, then I will fight forever."
—Koth of the Hammer


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2017 7:12 am 
Offline
Member
User avatar

Joined: Nov 25, 2015
Posts: 1431
Preferred Pronoun Set: Xhir/xhim, depending on Moon phase
So you are saying a 2cmc +1 card (ey, you forgot a little detail, lol) 4 power creature that doesn't care about energy or have any attack clause isn't worth remembering?

I think heavy red or mono red likes the bloodrage over Heir. You have to pick your tribe, vamps or minotaurs and go with it. I have always been a fan of Heir as well but that extra 1/1 sans flying has been pretty good in my limited testing.


Modulo wrote:

Don't think so TBH. IMO he's one of the best 2-drops Red has access to ATM.


Yes, for madness or hellbent builds is good, same as if minotaurs get tribal etc...still, not for what I'd call normal RDW nor Radkos, not without those themes. Same as Heir, yep.

In itself, I think it's being overated. And worse than Voltaics. And probably Exemplars.


Like this post
Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 40 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 6 hours [ DST ]


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Group