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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:45 am 
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So the freaking Vizier of the Menagerie (which we didn't get) is in the campaign all implemented and perfectly working on both sides of the board. I'm sure it wasn't easy to implement, just like the second attack phase dork in the first trial. Why waste the effort on a card that's campaign-only? Then I realized what might have happened. Stainless must have coded it before Wizards finalized the list of cards that make it the booster packs. So they decided to at least put it into the campaign so that the effort spent is not a total waste.

At least, that's my theory that I think makes more sense than them trying to intentionally piss people off.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 4:55 am 
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Yondar wrote:
I'm sure it wasn't easy to implement


We already had similar cards in DotP and they worked.

Indeed, the cut quite probably came from R&D looking at their supposed Meta balance, but we have to understand that SP Campaign is an extremely limited and safe environment.
Cards can be implemented in campaign without requiring the same amount of tests and Quality control that complex environments such as MP or SP vs AI need, due to multiple interactions.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:27 am 
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They put them there to wet your appetite to get the real thing, you forget that Duels is not really there to fulfill your magic needs but to make you want to buy the real thing or go into MTGO. The Vizier is really nothing special to make they just didn't want to give us that card.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:33 am 
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HARBiNG3R wrote:
make you want to buy the real thing or go into MTGO.


The freedom of the web has turned many people into stingy zen masters, unwilling to depart even with one cent of their own for some pansy-ass cardboard crack.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 5:52 am 
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My theory is that the card has bad interactions with other things implemented in the game. They could get it to work in a controlled environment where the interaction with problem cards could be avoided.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 6:01 am 
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Such as what?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:27 am 
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Cards that reduce casting cost, cards that interact with library. Maybe they couldn't get the top card to NOT display to your opponent. Against AI, that wouldn't matter. We already know that the AI knows the top card of the library, so they could have it programmed so as not to reveal top card when AI plays it, since the info is already known. And since the AI can't tell the human, hey I can see your card now, the human never knows the difference when he plays it.

Just a theory. I could be wrong. This card is not Oracle of Mul Daya which is the card that I think a lot of people are referencing when they say that stainless has done this effect in the past.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:40 am 
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Yeah, you're probably wrong. But it's a decent theory.

I think the best theory is a mix of Yondar and Harbringer's. Both of those things are certainly going on so which took place here is hard to guess but it has to be something like that.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:49 am 
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Common man, so you are telling me that when I scry a card my opponents get to see it? The effect is the same, you have to just state whether the effect is applied to all players or just the owner. It's not a new effect we had Sphinx of Jwar Isle several games ago.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:06 am 
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Look, none of us know for sure, everything is just theory. Should I make a list of every **** card that's in the game that I theorize it might have an issue with? Because frankly, it's not worth mine or your time. Honestly, I don't care. It's not in the game and all the theory crafting in the world won't change that.

Next time you refer to me, please call me by my name, not common man.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:10 am 
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Where's Mythic Uncommon man?


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:14 am 
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It was meant to say "come on man" but I guess I missed the space and my phone auto corrected it. :V never meant it as a personal attack.


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Too late, i will now always think of you as a condescending villain :p

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:18 am 
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Where's Mythic Uncommon man?


You, common man.

You, Barney man.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:31 am 
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At least I'll make my avatar proud.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 27, 2017 9:37 am 
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Yondar wrote:
So the freaking Vizier of the Menagerie (which we didn't get) is in the campaign all implemented and perfectly working on both sides of the board. I'm sure it wasn't easy to implement, just like the second attack phase dork in the first trial. Why waste the effort on a card that's campaign-only? Then I realized what might have happened. Stainless must have coded it before Wizards finalized the list of cards that make it the booster packs. So they decided to at least put it into the campaign so that the effort spent is not a total waste.

At least, that's my theory that I think makes more sense than them trying to intentionally piss people off.

I'm just glad that they didn't wast one of the two mythic slots for 4 mana dude that does nasty things if you untap with it n.14 .


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HARBiNG3R wrote:
It was meant to say "come on man" but I guess I missed the space and my phone auto corrected it. :V never meant it as a personal attack.


Okay. That makes sense. It seemed like a really out of place insult anyways.

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Sixty! Shame on you, I was sure you knew that it was a typo and you were just playing along. As if Harbringer (of all people) would refer to someone as "common man", especially someone with such a fiery temper as yours.

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I'm also not familiar with Sphinx of Jwar Isle. Was that in DOTP 2015? I always assumed Oracle when people said we had that ability before. But, again this isn't the exact same as that card, Sphinx doesn't let you cast the card you're looking at.

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We've had Garruk's Horde in DotP 2014, which let you pay to cast creature cards, that were revealed.


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