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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:38 am 
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Angel of Sanctions seems like the boring fire-and-forget inclusion they're likely to go with. :(

EDIT: Looking at some of these rares, I think the potential for the Cycle Duals could be high. There's a lot of either messy or narrow rares that R&D might just not bother with like Aven Mindcensor, Gideon's Intervention and Shadow of the Grave. Since we usually get 5 rares a colour, we might see a dip to 4 for these instead?

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:31 am 
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Possible that we get the Land cycle, but I'm not 100% certain.

The Rares I'm sure we get are 4 of each colour (counting the monocoloured Split cards as monocoloured cards) and 10 multicoloured/artifact rares (counting the other 5 rare Split cards as multicoloured). If they break any of the Split cycles, they have to go with the Pool Option making it very likely for us to get the Lands. If they don't they could add in another 5 multicolour/artifact rares or even 5 monocolour rares. I'd say chances are we're getting the lands, but it's Far from a Safe bet.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:46 am 
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Well we know they can't give us the full multicolour split cycle because Failure//Comply isn't possible for Duels with its "name a card" clause. That gives me hope.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:54 am 
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Well we know they can't give us the full multicolour split cycle because Failure//Comply isn't possible for Duels with its "name a card" clause. That gives me hope.


Good point; didn't consider that. That definitely ups the likelyhood of us getting them.

EDIT: Just did the math on the Rares; not I'm even more confident we'll get them (For some reason I though we'd get more multicolour Rares; after recounting that is impossible though).

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 11:46 am 
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So the rares available...

White:
- Anointed Procession
- Approach of the Second Sun
- Aven Mindcensor
- Gideon’s Intervention
- Glory-Bound Initiate
- Regal Caracal
- Dusk /// Dawn

Blue:
- Curator of Mysteries
- Drake Haven
- Glyph Keeper
- New Perspectives
- Pull from Tomorrow
- Vizier of Many Faces
- Commit /// Memory

Black:
- Archfiend of Ifnir
- Dispossess
- Dread Wanderer
- Liliana’s Mastery
- Plague Belcher
- Shadow of the Grave
- Never /// Return

Red:
- Glorybringer
- Harsh Mentor
- Hazoret’s Favor
- Heart-Piercer Manticore
- Soul-Scar Mage
- Sweltering Suns
- Insult /// Injury

Green:
- Champion of Rhonas
- Channeler Initiate
- Harvest Season
- Honored Hydra
- Prowling Serpopard
- Sandwurm Convergence
- Mouth /// Feed

Multicolour:
- Bounty of the Luxa
- Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons
- Neheb, the Worthy
- Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun
- Prepare /// Fight
- Failure /// Comply
- Rags /// Riches
- Cut /// Ribbons
- Heaven /// Earth

Colourless/Land:
- Pyramid of the Pantheon
- Throne of the God-Pharaoh
- Cascading Cataracts
- Sheltered Thicket
- Scattered Groves
- Irrigated Farmland
- Fetid Pools
- Canyon Slough


That's 7 per colour and 9 multicoloured rares. What are we likely to get math-man?

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:09 pm 
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I actually posted about this on Reddit and edited my post last page. My TL:DR:

Assimung 4/7 Rares per colour, 10 multicolour cards and 5 lands. YES, that means I'm assuming the cycling cycle to be in Duels.
Cards are ordered by likeliness to be in Duels; from most to least likely.

White:
Likely: Glory-Bound Initiate, Dusk//Dawn, Regal Caracal
33-67: Anointed Procession, Aven Mindcensor, Approach of the Second Sun
10 on the Duels scale: Gideon's Intervention

Blue:
Likely: Curator of Mysteries, Glyph Keeper, Drake Haven
50-50: Pull from Tomorrow, Commit//Memory
Unlikely: Vizier of Many Faces, New Perspectives

Black:
Likely: Archfiend of Ifnir, Plague Belcher
67-33: Liliana's Mastery, Dread Wanderer, Never//Return
Unlikely: Shadow of the Grave
10 on the Duels scale: Disposess

Red:
Likely: Glorybringer, Heart-Piercer Manticore
50-50: Hazoret's Favor, Insult//Injury, Sweltering Suns, Soul-Scar Mage
Unlikely: Harsh Mentor

Green:
Likely: Mouth//Feed, Honored Hydra, Channeler Initiate
50-50: Sandwurm Convergence, Prowling Serpopard
Unlikely: Champion of Rhonas, Harvest Season

Multicolour/colourless/lands:
Very likely: Rags//Riches, Cut//Ribbons, Heaven//Earth, Prepare//Fight, Temmet, Vizier of Naktamun, Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons
Likely: Bounty of the Luxa, Pyramid of the Pantheon, Throne of the God-Pharaoh, Oracle's Vault
Unlikely: Neheb, the Worthy, Cascading Cataracts
10 on the Duels scale: Failure//Comply


The blue 50-50 is as close as you can get IMO; I could see both cards making Duels and I could see both cards being left out for the Clone (hopefully that won't happen).
Red is the colour I'm the least certain about, as seen by how big the 50-50 category is. I'm kinda confident about Hazoret's Favor being in (unfortunately; it's the card I'd want to see in Duels the least out of the category) and Soul-Scarred Mage being out; Insult//Injury vs. Sweltering Suns is another really close 50-50.
In green I deemed Champion of Rhonas unlikely because I'd envision a certain fear to include cards to cheat out creatures. I'd love to be wrong though.
As for multicolour, it's actually 100% possible they ditch Oracle's Vault for Neheb, the Worthy. These two might switch positions.

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I feel like we're more likely to get the viser of many faces over commit to memory but apart from that i agree with everything else

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:23 pm 
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Assuming we get 4-5 per colour (with their aftermath cards) and the land cycle, my humble guesses would be.

White (4): Glory-Bound Initiate, Anointed Procession, Dusk//Dawn, Regal Caracal. The Mindcensor, Intervention and Approach look like either coding impossibilities or potentially buggy disasters to me. I'd love to be wrong and get Approach over Dusk//Dawn.

Blue(4): Drake Haven, Curater of Mysteries, Commit//Memory, New Perspectives. I expect them to double-down on cycling.dec during this. We'd miss out on Pull, Keeper and Vizier for the sake of a mechanic which would bug me immensely. However Vizier could result in something buggy with it dodging hexproof etc by entering as "any creature" not "target creature", when all we can do is click.

Black(4): Archfiend of Ifnir, Dread Wanderer, Never//Return, Plague Belcher. Archfiend is a shoe in, the others would be there to provide huge support for zombie tribal.

Red(4): Glorybringer, Heart-Piercer Manticore, Hazoret's Favor, Insult//Injury. Continuing the "big creatures are cool" trend, and seeing as how there could be coding nonsense with the cheaper critters, I don't see us getting Harsh Mentor. Sweltering Suns is also unlikely given the amount of sweepers we have and hatred players keep for them.

Green(4): Honored Hydra, Mouth//Feed, Prowling Serpopard, Sandwurm Convergence. This comes down to early mana fixing being a no-no hot button for the devs.

Multicolour(4): Hapatra, Temmet, Cut//Ribbons, Prepare//Fight. Just got this weird feeling about them throwing in Neheb for the hell of it.

Colourless(6): 5x Cycle Lands, Throne of the God-Pharaoh. Throne looks like a safe and cute inclusion compared to the relative dud pyramid.

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I'm going against the tide and say that we're more likely to NOT get the bike lands. I'll try to do my bets latter today or during the weekend.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:47 pm 
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felbatista wrote:
I'm going against the tide and say that we're more likely to NOT get the bike lands. I'll try to do my bets latter today or during the weekend.


If that would be the case we'd get a fifth rare per colour. Possible, but looking at the Rares we'll get (especially in White) I'll lean towards getting the lands.

@BBB: is there a reason you're only guessing 30 Rares when we will get 35? Just asking...

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:59 pm 
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Modulo wrote:
felbatista wrote:
I'm going against the tide and say that we're more likely to NOT get the bike lands. I'll try to do my bets latter today or during the weekend.


If that would be the case we'd get a fifth rare per colour. Possible, but looking at the Rares we'll get (especially in White) I'll lean towards getting the lands.

@BBB: is there a reason you're only guessing 30 Rares when we will get 35? Just asking...


You're right, I missed when typing up the 5 up before I saw you posted. I'm still sceptical on anything else from White other than those 4 making it in, so 5 in every other colour and the Pyramid for the lols?

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Modulo wrote:
felbatista wrote:
I'm going against the tide and say that we're more likely to NOT get the bike lands. I'll try to do my bets latter today or during the weekend.


If that would be the case we'd get a fifth rare per colour. Possible, but looking at the Rares we'll get (especially in White) I'll lean towards getting the lands.

@BBB: is there a reason you're only guessing 30 Rares when we will get 35? Just asking...


The only White Rare I can't see Duels doing is Intervention. Approach is not hurt by restrictions more than most Rares because the card is self contained, Mindcensor would work similar to how Oath of Nissa and similar cards work, and Procession is just Parallel Lives, a card that was featured in Duels before.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2017 6:40 pm 
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I don't want the lands if they're gonna take up other rare slots, but it seems like they might be inclined to include them in for the cycling enchantments/creatures.


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Speculation on uncommons? If we get 52 total, this is where it could get dicey, but there's usually 7-8 a colour. I'm only going to hazard guesses for White since I'm most invested in getting Cast Out into Duels. It's a slow Saturday, I'll do a few.

White: :angel:
- Trial of Solidarity (Very likely, full cycle)
- Renewed Faith (Likely, cycling theme)
- Devoted Crop-Mate (50/50, we already have a similar card in W/G, and Embalm or Cycling look like the theme decks over exert)
- Seraph of the Sun (Unlikely, its just filler for the most part)
- Vizier of Remedies (Unlikely, not usually fond of putting in poor hozers for set specific mechanics)
- Vizier of Deferment (50/50, we already have something similar in Reflector Mage)
- Oketra's Attendent (Likely, again with the cycling theme, but its also one of those generic critters they're fond of)
- Cast Out (50/50, Duels could really do with this card, but we've been screwed on this every time before now as well)
- Protection of the Hekma (Very unlikely, narrow and doesn't have much of a home)
- Trueheart Duelist (Very likely, embalm theme deck stapple)
- Time to Reflect (Likely, although they might see it as too strong for its archetype, I believe its a needed support card for its deck)

My guesses for 7 will be:
1. Trial
2. Renewed Faith
3. Oketra's Attendent
4. Trueheart Duelist
5. Time to Reflect
6. Devoted Crop-Mate
7. Cast Out (pls pls pls)
(if we get 8, then Vizier of Deferment too)

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Blue: :teach:
- Trial of Knowledge (Very likely, full cycle)
- Vizier of the Tumbling Sand (Likely, cycling theme)
- Open into Wonder (50/50, its an effect we don't have in Duels yet, and I could see this making it into W/U embalm)
- Sacred Excavation (Unlikely, way too narrow)
- Galestrike (Unlikely, we have enough of this type of card and the devs are starting to learn)
- Zenith Seeker (Likely, will probably go in the cycling theme deck because reasons...)
- Hieroglyphic Illumination (50/50, will depend how far down the cycling rabbit hole they want to go, we have enough 4 mana draw 2 effects)
- Cryptic Serpent (Likely, its a beginner friendly card)
- Censor (Unlikely, the devs hate the idea of 2 mana counters that aren't specific in their targets)
- Labyrinth Guardian (Very likely, fits in the embalm theme deck if that ends up being W/U)
- Lay Claim (50/50, not that it'd bother me either way, but its another PW hitter that could bother poor Timmy...)
- Angler Drake (Likely, looks like the sort of 6 mana Blue creature they'd dump on us)

My guesses for 7 will be:
1. Trial
2. Vizier
3. Zenith Seeker
4. Cryptic Serpent
5. Labyrinth Guardian
6. Angler Drake
7. Open into Wonder
(if we get 8, then Lay Claim too)

Black: :evil:
- Trial of Ambition (Very likely, full cycle)
- Stir the Sands (Likely, cycling theme)
- Baleful Ammit (50/50, the sort of Black creature I could see us getting, but the cycling + zombie support leaves little room)
- Ruthless Sniper (Likely, works in the cycling decks)
- Bone Picker (50/50, I want it, but again the room is thin here)
- Faith of the Devoted (Likely, cycling support)
- Lord of the Accursed (Very likely, if we don't get this then Zombies.dec take a huge blow)
- Grim Strider (50/50, depends if they want to add minor league hellbent support)
- Nest of Scarabs (Unlikely, other themes to support here)
- Lay Bare the Heart (Unlikely, very little room for them to give us an effect they seem bent on denying Duels, even if I want it and it seems fair)
- Gravedigger (100% Not happening, we already have it :p)

My guesses for 7:
1. Trial
2. Stir the Sands
3. Ruthless Sniper
4. Faith of the Devoted
5. Lord of the Accursed
6. Grim Strider
7. Bone Picker
(if we get 8, then Baleful Ammit too)

Red: :ahem:
- Trial of Zeal (Very likely, full cycle)
- Deem Worthy (Likely, cycling theme)
- Trueheart Twins (Likely, exert seems to be the key theme for Red in AHK)
- Warfire Javelineer (Unlikely, other mechanics need some love in Red)
- Bloodrage Brawler (50/50, the devs might just think 4 power at 2 mana is a bit much with all the HoK bashing :p)
- By Force (Unlikely, as much as Red needs its artifact smashing spells, I could see them not finding this beginner friendly)
- Battlefield Scavenger (Likely, exert seems to be strong in Red)
- Consuming Fervor (Likely, not many other auras this set)
- Flameblade Adept (Very likely, this seems to be a popular card all around)
- Ahn-Crop Crasher (Likely, exert needs some representation)
- Limits of Solidarity (50/50, cycling gets it there despite being another steal effect)

My guesses for 7:
1. Trial
2. Deem Worthy
3. Trueheart Twins
4. Battlefield Scavenger
5. Consuming Fervor
6. Flameblade Adept
7. Ahn-Crop Crasher
(if we get 8, then Bloodrage Brawler)

Green: :gross:
- Trial of Strength (Very likely, full cycle)
- Shefet Monitor (Likely, cycling theme)
- Defiant Greatmaw (50/50, it does seem like the gimped creature Duels would get)
- Scaled Behemoth (50/50, they might just see it as another ramp target?)
- Hapatra's Mark (Unlikely, we have effects like this already)
- Watchful Naga (Likely, exert showcasing)
- Maglehorn (Likely, I think this will be a bone tossed to the newer players struggling against the more artifact heavy Vehicle builds lower on the ladder)
- Exemplar of Strength (Very likely, another poster child card like Flameblade Adept)
- Crocodile of the Crossing (Likely, shows off Green's counter theme)
- Sixth Sense (50/50, could be seen as strong but is also one of the few auras this set)
- Synchronised Strike (Unlikely, dime a dozen for this sort of card in Duels)

My guesses for 7:
1. Trial
2. Shefet Monitor
3. Watchful Naga
4. Manglehorn
5. Exemplar of Strength
6. Crocodile
7. Sixth Sense
(if 8, then Scaled Behemoth)

Multicolour/Colourless: :cloud9:
- The full uncommon cycle of dual coloured creatures (10 cards total)
- Either the full uncommon Aftermath cycle OR the full Monument cycle (5 cards total)
- Whichever the above isn't a cycle, there will be 2 cards from it. So for artifacts that's Watchers of the Dead, Embalmer's Tools or Edifice of Authority.

So when all is said and done, 7 uncommons per colour, 10 multicoloured cards, a full cycle of either the Monuments or Aftermath and 2 cards from the other will total at 52 uncommons.

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Shut up 3B. Nest of Scarabs is my most wanted card in the Set and you're trying to jynx it :P

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Shut up 3B. Nest of Scarabs is my most wanted card in the Set and you're trying to jynx it :P


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Shut up 3B. Nest of Scarabs is my most wanted card in the Set and you're trying to jynx it :P


If I can't have my Sphinx I'm taking you all with me! :shake:


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Which R Mythic do you think we might get (excluding the god)?


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