Your views are so bipolar Gem. Some of your stuff is so bang on, you could be heebs for all I know. And then you say some batshlt crazy stuff right after. I need to rewatch that Drew Barrymore / Chris O'Donnell crazy romance, "Mad Love" again just so I can figure out this relationship

... good soundtrack too


I'm glad you're speaking your mind about the tournament tho, if only to drive Vert and Kryder nuts

Half an hour wasted of my life streaming on BEAM. What a load of hot garbage. Can't find my video.

Thanks for referring to me as the level-headed person of this community Barn. Appreciation + Love = A Sweaty Mess

Don't get ahead of yourself stupid, you're ONE of the levelheaded people here.

... it's a short list tho:)


So does Beam suck? I'll still keep streaming Koth matches, I was thinking of trying it but I dunno

Sideboards, top 8 BO5 and play/draw fix (by restarting games)

And no Joly

#drunkpost

Idk if I'll play the next one if sideboards are in. Most of my competitive play experience is with limited formats where I didn't use sideboards - or at least where I didn't have to think about what would be in it. I don't know if I feel confident constructing a sideboard in the limited time we have between release and tourney. Plus I'm fond of the "all in" style of deckbuilding duels tourneys have. It's a different format so I don't feel we need to be just like standard in that way.

I also like the recording requirement because it's good times watching other people's games. If it's optional, there could be entire games we can't spectate because both participants don't feel like recording. There have been a few people I watch their games just because I think their decklist looks cool, but I wouldn't get to see them play with it with no recording.

Best of 5 top 8 on is pretty cool tho. And even if I dislike the changes, I'm not organizing this thing so whatevs.

Go play paper magic.

Hi, I missed the last tournament but I'd like to be involved in the next one. There's lots of great suggestions from everyone about how to improve it. Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing sideboards, but restarting matches to alternate who goes first seems like a clunky hassle. The lack of mandatory recording would help me out as well. How soon after Amonkhet will it start?

Just giving my 2 cents about the suggested rules changes:

1) No mandatory recording - I'm really against this, i know it's a hassle to record and send in ect ect and people have computer issues which sucks, but a huge part of this tournament for me is being able to choose a deck i like and watch it's progression throughout the tournament, this rules change actually makes it a disadvantage to record as people can see what your deck is trying to do and how you play ect ect. Imagine the xbox tourney for example mobius vs unbeatable that was amazing to watch and it would suck if no one was recording the top 8, hard to get invested in the tournament as a lot of people don't even describe the match when sharing the results.
I'd say some sort of system where you get "3 strikes and you're out" would be best, everyone has to record every match but if you miss one you get a cushion as a genuine error wouldn't be too bothered by this and it's less harsh, they keep not recording then the punishments come in

2) Sideboarding - I'm kinda impartial agianst this, i don't hate it and i don't love it either way, however i will say i'd much rather it all be one or all be the other - no point trying to please everyone by doing it half baked, just go all in

3) Deck building restrictions - Again this is really vague but i'm not a fan, people should be ok to play whatever you want, even the best deck (vehicles) hasn't dominated these things and i'd much rather they be no restrictions then any.

4) Top 8 being BO5 I love, it's a nice reward for making it that far that your games should be more consistent and less likely to just fold to 2 bad draws in a row ect ect

Just my two cents, I think streaming should be mandatory.

Except I don't want to spend 400€, while I can do it here for free. I'm just suggesting stuff to try to improve the tourney experience and make it more fair and enjoyable. Even if you don't like my suggestions there is no reason for that type of negative comments.
I'm not sure if you are serious or joking, since I have never even played against you or did anything to you, but you seem to dislike and try to troll me everytime for some reason

Joly is like me if I didn't take the bait you lot threw out with such ravenous ease.

No mandatory recording opens things up to more players but I agree somewhat with Nighthawk about watching decks you like, though at the same time a lot of the tournament is recording for the sake of recording and creates a bunch of "non-content" which to be honest can end up not worth watching.
Like watching all the bigshots and 2nd tier recordings can be fun but you can start to get too low of quality after that, though I like the idea of sort of still enforcing it but letting people off.
Maybe try and get opponents discuss if they're recording or not and see which one feel better about it in situations where people aren't fully up to it.

I don't understand how sideboards can somehow be half implemented but we've basically gone through this so many times so whatever seems best.

I don't like the sound of deck restrictions, people should bring whatever they feel like. However the idea of a kind of challenge tournament where it's a challenge to build certain decks intrigues me but it should be one or the other; either free decks without restriction or some kind of theme tournament.
Like I did a PTCGO tournament once where the theme was evolutions and you had to use full evolution pokemon, no big basics etc. That was fun and something similar could be fun here but just adding what could essentially be considered as bans sounds ugly.

Top 8 being out of 5 makes total sense.

I'm with Nighthawk on most points. I'm not a fan of sideboards though. I know many people want it to be part of the tournament, but it has nothing to do with Duels. It's just not part of it. How are you going to test your sideboard before the tournament? And there is already little time between the release of a new expansion and the start of the tournament. For many people it's already a rush to get a good build and playtest it.

The first thing that came to mind when Kryder mentioned this was the we would get SB for the top 8 but that's it.

It would still allow for the dynamic of trying to correctly predict the meta, since you would be locked into the deck you built without any sort of SBing for the majority of the tournament and likely won't make it into the top 8 in the first place if you can't build a deck that can correctly combat the meta.

Having SBs in the matches of the top 8 would potentially make those games more interesting (and these matches are already the big draws for spectators), and also help to prevent situations where you don't end up getting bumped down slots in the top 8 because you got a bad pairing.

The example above I used was playing a deck that doesn't run any enchantment removal at all. Imagine that you decide to make a meta call and not run any enchantment removal in your deck at all. Your gamble pays off and only one other person in the entire tournament runs a deck where enchantment removal is highly relevant (Tutelage for example). Depending on the number of people in the tournament and how seeding is done you may never even come up against that one bad matchup, and even if you do if you are doing well enough you could potentially afford to concede those matches to them and still potentially make it into the top 8.

Once you make it into the top 8 though, what happens if that Tutelage deck also gets there and you end up getting paired against them. Suddenly you are playing your most important matches against the one deck that wrecks you that you specifically (and successfully) built your deck to avoid in the first place, you can't even afford to take the loss here and move on either, since these are the matches to determine the top 8.

If SB were included for the top 8 in the above scenario at least you would have the option to SB against them for those matches, so bad luck with matchups may be less of a factor. Things would be fair in this case also, since the Tutelage deck would also be able to SB in these matches, so they aren't getting punished for making smart meta calls either any more than the example deck.

I feel like it would be a decent compromise between the "we need SBs" and the "SBs are the devil" factions that seem to have developed around here.

Yeah Joly, Barney is trolling you. Don't take stuff so seriously But seriously, you wanna talk to me about posting negative comments?!!? Allow me to quote yourself from the Steam Showdown fight back in February. This quote is in regards to your overall experience in that tournament:

“game experience was miserable all around, people nut drawing each other with their aggro decks for the most part or just flooding out and dying.” […] [Socur's] deck was not good, and if you take it to ladder you will get repeatedly slaughtered.”

Not trying to throw it in your face Joly, but you are the king of negative comments.


I'm with Mackey and Nighthawk. Magic Duels is a casual F2P game. Sideboards, deciding whether you want to be on the play/draw, card restrictions, etc. That's all for paper magic. If you wanna play competitive magic then that's where you belong, or on magic online. If too many of these hardcore magic rules become implemented in these tournaments, this community is going to lose a significant number of casual players for the sake of a minority, hardcore few.

The truly casual players don't really play tournaments. Tournaments take time and strategy and deckbuilding and playtesting. That's the entire point of holding tournaments: for an outlet to play a level of opponent and a level of Magic that is simply higher than you would typically find on the ladder.

I got a warning for a messed up video in the Last showdown. Kryder asked me for suggestions to improve the rules, so I gave it some thought and send some ideas.
I have no idea if Kryder is going with my suggestions, because I don't think he replied... Lol
I might as well share:
"Been giving the issue some thought and what I came up with is this:

Recording or streaming is entirely optional (though highly recommended), except for top-8.
Top-8 games should have both players posting games. Failure to provide video will be a warning first and game loss for each infraction.
In the case of arbitration, it becomes mandatory and without videos the ruling becomes automatically against the player who fails to provide a recording.
Any player who doesn't post at least one video during a tournament will be excluded from the next event (not forever).

How does that sound?"

Just building a random grixis mill deck a few days before tournament starts is strategy and not casual?