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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:06 pm 
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He's a house in GW Enchantments, if that ever gets the tools to be a deck again.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2016 6:30 pm 
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For all you folks saying he's boring.. what would you rather he do? He can protect himself.. better than all the others bc exile for 2. Do you want his + ability to make tokens? Scry? Tap? Lower/raise power? Make something hexproof/indestructible? What do you suggest that makes sense for Selesnya colors?

TBF I'm not too sure his +2 makes much sense in Selesnya either but i think they could've gave him some more interesting abilities , right now can you honestly say you're looking forward to playing with him? I mean I will cause he's good haha but i'm not excited about it.

If they wanted the whole Draw cards/removal thing to be apart of his card i'd have made it a bit more conditional but have the potential to go nuts, instead of how "safe" the real one is, maybe something like this (obviously not balanced this is off the top of my head haha)

+ Some sort of conditional removal (e.g exile creature(s) that attacked you last turn, maybe some sort of delayed "next time you're attacked they need to sacrifice a creature effect

- draw a number of cards equal to Highest CMC creature or P/T or number of creatures you control whatever synergises with what G/W is gonna do in aether revolt

Ultimate as it is is pretty ok especially if G/W has a fabricate theme in the next set

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For all you folks saying he's boring.. what would you rather he do? He can protect himself.. better than all the others bc exile for 2. Do you want his + ability to make tokens? Scry? Tap? Lower/raise power? Make something hexproof/indestructible? What do you suggest that makes sense for Selesnya colors?

He's good but boring mainly because it seems to follow the recent trend in Planeswalker formula; draw and pewpew, just in his own way.
Not that it's a terribly bad thing, especially given all cards eventually do it and go along with the flow and no matter how special people think planewalkers are it's not like they're not exempt from being copycat cards.
Seems even more true these days with them trying to make planeswalkers fit in more like any other card rather than having the pressure of being overly extraordinary.

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:42 am 
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Think we will see Ajani, Valorous Protector in Duels?

Looks like a meh PW at best, but I would love to be wrong. He kinda screams "planeswalker deck" to me...as if it wasn't obvious that the next PW decks would be Tezzeret vs. Ajani.

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I'm pretty we will see him in Duels; he's a Walker without being too hard to implement. Also, he's fancy and, while his Design is seemingly boring, he fits into decks people considering to be fun.

The more I look at Ajani, the more I like him btw. Sure, 4 loyality is meh, but his +2 (yes,+2. He can Race up VERY quickly) and -2 are downright amazing in most decks that can cast him. His ulti screams PW.dec, but I think he's pretty great in Ramp and Bant as well.
Definitely a great card for Duels, we'll see if he finds his way into Standard (I do think so, though)

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I agree on Ajani, Stalwart Protector. He gives a slight look into a window that may see ramp being good (or at least playable) again. I love ramp and haven't had a chance to play it competitively since DoTP14 with Chant (I skipped 2015 and didn't play ladder for duels at launch...I also just got back into paper after leaving during the catastrophe that was Caw-blade) so I would like to see a good naya ramp deck work with Ajani (I feel like ramp without red would be interesting, but unlikely).

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He will definitely fit in superfriends even if it's not as strong of a deck anymore.

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Planeswalker decks and their version of Ajani and Tezzeret: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/ar ... 2016-12-05
Suppose it doesn't really mean anything for us but we get to see what Tezzeret looks like more. Oh though I guess we can speculate on teh packaging like who that woman is.

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Remember it's just the noob friendly walkers we won't be getting. Though the nooby Tezzeret does look pretty fun and kinda wish we could play with him.

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Planeswalker decks and their version of Ajani and Tezzeret: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/ar ... 2016-12-05
Suppose it doesn't really mean anything for us but we get to see what Tezzeret looks like more. Oh though I guess we can speculate on teh packaging like who that woman is.

Better look at the dudes:
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Remember it's just the noob friendly walkers we won't be getting. Though the nooby Tezzeret does look pretty fun and kinda wish we could play with him.

This Tezzeret seems a nice pw, more than decent since it is the noob version. Should we expect a strong Tezzeret and in the dimir colors?

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Planeswalker decks and their version of Ajani and Tezzeret: http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/ar ... 2016-12-05
Suppose it doesn't really mean anything for us but we get to see what Tezzeret looks like more. Oh though I guess we can speculate on teh packaging like who that woman is.

Better look at the dudes:
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Remember it's just the noob friendly walkers we won't be getting. Though the nooby Tezzeret does look pretty fun and kinda wish we could play with him.

This Tezzeret seems a nice pw, more than decent since it is the noob version. Should we expect a strong Tezzeret and in the dimir colors?


If it's anything like Ajani; then expect it to be decent in the right builds.

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Tezz wants to be a part of the Collosus deck me thinks

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I'd try out that Tezzeret in a few decks.

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That tezz is friggen awesome! +1 to friggen tutor for artifacts? That ultimate is a game ender in most situations. Biggest downside is lack of self-protection. If those are PW decks, the rest of Ajani's deck had better be pretty good because Tezz is way better.

It reminds me (kinda) of Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas in theme and flavor.

EDIT: Obviously not as powerful, but still...in the right deck he could just be a (: You win the game) card

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So, what do people think of the vehicle they also spoiled?

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They are really pushing superfriends IMHO...This might not see good play, but it looks to be an indication of things to come.

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Wow, that looks very good to me. Obviously not as easy to use as copter and no draws but in the right deck it could definitely be amazing.
Guessing it's the gatewatch's stolen ship, maybe powered by Chandra?

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makes PWs like Ajani and (both) Gideons with good +X abilities really valuable, but the 3-costing crew is tough.

Toolcraft Exemplar obviously wasn't good enough already...

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So, what do people think of the vehicle they also spoiled?

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They are really pushing superfriends IMHO...This might not see good play, but it looks to be an indication of things to come.

This vehicle is awesome, but sadly i could see it in the actual aggro decks. It could be crewed by toolcraft exemplar or scraphead scrounger, and it could use the i-dont-care-about-loyalty-counters gideon.

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Holy cow!

You could easily drop this on turn 2 and follow up with Thalia, Heretic Cathar OR Depala!


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Holy cow!

You could easily drop this on turn 2 and follow up with Thalia, Heretic Cathar OR Depala!


And Scrapheap Scrounger. :plot:

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Wizards seems not to learn their lesson about making super pushed 2 cost vehicles.
At least it can defend walkers.
About Ajani, not sure if it fits in the superfriends archetype in Duels. You already have 3 6 drops (and it's a bit greedy, it could be only 2): Chandra, Sorin and Greenwarden. Not sure if he is better than any of those


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