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Accept "Where Angels Fear To Tread" into the MEM?
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 11:11 pm 
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If accepted, this story will be Public

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I'm reading through this (it is quite long, but so far, I've been enjoying it), but I have to chime in before I'm done because of this:

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As they walked single file across a span of slick grey granite no doubt heaved from the sea-floor by Jorðormr's undulations, Rig stopped.

Geology lesson: the sea floor is mostly made if the same compositional rockstuff as granite, but granite cannot form at the sea floor. Basalt is formed from rapidly-cooling magma and is typically black or very dark grey, because of the very tiny crystalline structures that the magma forms. Granite forms from slowly-cooling magma under the crust, where much larger crystalline structures have a chance at forming, often giving that sought-after aesthetic such as for granite countertops.


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I did not know that. I can probably generalize that to 'stone'

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I'm still working my way through this, but I'm going to cast a vote now because at this point I don't expect the ending is going to change my overall opinions of it. It was a little ways into the Last Valkyrie section, what with having to write down the names and descriptions of characters that appear in works, that I realized what you were doing and that IT WASNT WORKING.

I will mirror Raven and Huey's sentiments on this: the framing of the narrative as a literal narrative by Sigdrifa was interesting, especially given the stylistic choice of language here (not that it makes the actual language easy to parse, but it's at least partially forgivable). In fact, I was getting really into it by the time Ragnarok occurred. However, as I read further into the events that occurred afte Ragnarok, and realized you were doing EXACTLY what I criticized most about Attack on Titan, I began to loathe the story. Similarly to Raven, I at several points would scroll down to see how long until it was over, and despair that I had to sit through I-didn't-know-how-much more. It was worse than a slog, because a slog implies that it was boring. I was actively turned off by that entire section.

The point I last stopped, there were only three left, and again, unless there's something positively deific coming that will make me denounce my faith and hail to you as my new God-King, I doubt my mind will change as I read what remains.


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Okay. With an 0-2-0-2 sort of structure going on towards the end of a week, I think it's safe to say we know where this one will be going. Yeah, what do you kids call it today -- 'the bin'? Which in a meta-sense is kind of exciting. It means that the voting process actually works and we don't just blindly approve of things that come from 'respected' members (Presuming of course that I count as a respected member. I'm assuming things all over the place). It's also -- and I've been typing this a lot lately -- interesting to see what works and what doesn't work for different people. I think I talked about this in the thread for "36 Hours" which also went way off where I expected reactions to it to be, but I'm endlessly fascinated by the reactions to my work, what I evoke and why it's evoked. I may or may not secretly be Ludevic. And from that perspective, I'm glad to hear these things. I'm glad to hear WHY somebody dislikes, is made uncomfortable by, or downright hates a piece. Not only is it probably a way to evolve my craft, but it's also just plain interesting in its own right.

What leaves me in a difficult place is how much of this story I need to work to be able to move forward with Aralheim versus how much of it actually DOES work. I think, from the replies you (Luna) and others have given, if I ran a vote for a totally isolated version of Rani's story, it would likely pass, maybe not to acclaim but at least to acceptance. It kind of needs Ragnarok to come out sometime in order to avoid being one huge WTF, but Ragnarok seemed to work for people too. I could keep that.

The problem is that I actually need material from "The Last Valkyrie". Specifically, I need Haraldr and Sindri (Who fall back into the storyline in my current outline), and I want the conversation with Jorðormr (who sort of evolved into a Progenitus-esque Worldsoul creature thanks to this), and... that's all deep enough in that I've got a heck of a snarl in front of me. I think my best idea is to basically cut everything before the ruined, deserted town down to a paragraph or two that sums up to "We started with more than this but lost a hefty portion of our number along the way". the problem with that being that it would badly diminish the characters with actual slow-built character (Kenna and Hrokr) mostly. Like, I wonder if Hrokr even works if we don't have the long term setup of who he is from the first few events along the trail.

I had actually intended something more like that when I was outlining, and went into all the death-by-death beatdown because that was more to Sigdrifa's voice. But it doesn't work as a story (apparently), probably in large part because it's just too damn long. I kinda wish I had let it sit longer before sending it here, so that I could have garnered more commentary and possibly anticipated this outcome, but what's done is done.

I'm open to suggestions.

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Which in a meta-sense is kind of exciting. It means that the voting process actually works and we don't just blindly approve of things that come from 'respected' members (Presuming of course that I count as a respected member. I'm assuming things all over the place).

I must admit I was a bit afraid of this too. Not specifically about this piece, of course.

(maybe my opinion is not exactly the most informed, but I consider you a 'respected' M:EMber, in more than one interpretation of the word)

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What leaves me in a difficult place is how much of this story I need to work to be able to move forward with Aralheim versus how much of it actually DOES work. I think, from the replies you (Luna) and others have given, if I ran a vote for a totally isolated version of Rani's story, it would likely pass, maybe not to acclaim but at least to acceptance. It kind of needs Ragnarok to come out sometime in order to avoid being one huge WTF, but Ragnarok seemed to work for people too. I could keep that.

The problem is that I actually need material from "The Last Valkyrie". Specifically, I need Haraldr and Sindri (Who fall back into the storyline in my current outline), and I want the conversation with Jorðormr (who sort of evolved into a Progenitus-esque Worldsoul creature thanks to this), and... that's all deep enough in that I've got a heck of a snarl in front of me. I think my best idea is to basically cut everything before the ruined, deserted town down to a paragraph or two that sums up to "We started with more than this but lost a hefty portion of our number along the way". the problem with that being that it would badly diminish the characters with actual slow-built character (Kenna and Hrokr) mostly. Like, I wonder if Hrokr even works if we don't have the long term setup of who he is from the first few events along the trail.

And that's exactly why I abstained. On one hand, it feels it needs a rework to be more vivid and compelling. On the other, every choice you have done for this piece has a role and a meaning that would be probably lost. I do not envy you.

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I kinda wish I had let it sit longer before sending it here, so that I could have garnered more commentary and possibly anticipated this outcome, but what's done is done.

I must say, I don't know if the time in the "hall" (seeing this as the tribunal, and the Archive as... well, the archive) would have changed my participation: works with massive word counts tend to put me off until I have a remarkable amount of free time and/or the need to escape from reality unless I'm already very emotionally engaged with the storyline. Both this factors are pretty much random; the Archivist's weekly PM serves as a kick in the backside to induce me to free some time to act as the M:EMber I should be. That's... less than honorable, I know :blush:

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I'm open to suggestions.

As I said, I don't envy you, this will probably be hard. If I come up with any reasonable idea I'll to let you know.

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For what it's worth, you are definitely one whom I hold to a high standard because of how good some of your works have been.

For what it's also worth, I understand why you went with the idea of "these names and people would mean something to Sigdrifa", but just as I compared it unfavorably to Attack on Titan, they mean nothing to us, the readers. Even Hrokr and Kenna, whom you say have "slow-build characters" and whom of course last the longest, have very little character given to them across the piece. Hrokr talks a bit to Sigdrifa and seems to be a leader. That's about it until the big confession scene. Kenna paid an arm and a leg to be at Idavoll (sorry not sorry), gets carried around until they find a crutch, then nothing until she has her Heroic Sacrifice(TM). Even the integration of Kenna with Hrokr and Verdandi is done after the fact, when she's not around to add character to.

The only point that I cared for any of the survivors was the very moment that Sigdrifa had Hrokr in her arms, and that worked perfectly well simply knowing that a) Sigdrifa feels the weight of the broken world is on her shoulders and b) there were two dozen or so individuals under her direct watch that she couldn't save. The vow and pyre was actually really well done, although I couldn't care less for Hrokr himself.


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May I'm say I'm glad THAT scene at least worked? Because that was one of the strongest images I had for the whole piece.

Thinking of other solutions, I might rewrite the segment, cutting the starting population down to... Rig, Tofi, Oddr, and the folks who made it conscious as far as the abandoned village, replacing a lot of the extraneous deaths with scenes focused on the still living. Problems being that it would still be at least somewhat long and they'd still 'all' bite it.

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Okay. With an 0-2-0-2 sort of structure going on towards the end of a week, I think it's safe to say we know where this one will be going. Yeah, what do you kids call it today -- 'the bin'? Which in a meta-sense is kind of exciting.

It seems your attitude is leaning toward wanting to rewrite this anyway at this point, so I'm going to make a call here and say this was not accepted, since it's already been up for vote for several weeks.


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