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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:29 pm 
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we'll call it seven and a half

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 1:29 pm 
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which means we need four and a half more players

finding half a player might be difficult

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:10 pm 
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I'll join if Niklor also does and just hopes it's a theme that KoD doesn't sperg out over, so there you have half of another player.
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they were both persians

persian+rome had a guaranteed win but KoD threw it away for some reason to betray rome and mown was pretty upset about it

He also cheated by carbon copying PMs. Which was ultimately sort of whatever in impact, but it was kind of like Klatremus salting his ginger bread.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:38 pm 
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I had a lot of fun just observing the last one, so I think I want to play this one.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 3:45 pm 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 4:00 pm 
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You should play fable. All the off the wall **** you like to do in regular games is somewhat encouraged here.

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Except that wasn't considered cheating Mown. Besides, you were strictly upset with me over not allying with Rome for an easy win.

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If you're copying and pasting the text from PMs, that's legal. If you're doing it in a way that proves that you were actually sent that PM (screenshots, forwarding) that's using not.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 5:53 pm 
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Besides, you were strictly upset with me over not allying with Rome for an easy win.

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You're still a poor judge of character I see.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:03 pm 
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@Cato:

And adding the person into the conversation via BCC when it was discussed end of game was something you commented on as being able to see as not cheating. Would you like to rule on that now before the game starts?

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Correction. You considered it cheating, but hadn't specified it and stated you'd penalize it later.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:18 pm 
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Further correction, he considered it cheating before fully understanding it, then said it was okay, and has now in this thread went back to consider it cheating.

Even though it's blatantly cheating because it shares private interactions in a manner that is even more reliable than screenshots. I can fabricate screenshots for days, I can't do that carbon copies.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:23 pm 
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Screenshots are one thing. Making someone a part of my conversation without another's knowledge is another thing entirely.

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Yes, like I said, I can easily fake the former.
What's the difference between sending a carbon copy and me giving someone else a screenshot of every private message I sent? Other than having to do it proactively, which makes it a more flexible method of cheating, but not functionally different. Unless you would also argue that sending screenshots exclusively of private messages you send, but not ones you receive, should be accepted behavior.

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Ah, I wasn't clear with that statement.

You say it is clearly cheating, yet as per the rules that is not the case. When I said it is my conversation, that's exactly what I meant. The game allowed us to PM players, but forbid the use of meta-game information. Screenshots are not a part of the game, but sending a private message is. By BCCing I'm sending my private message to two players, one of which has no knowledge that a third party is privy to the conversation. Since it is a PM being sent, it is entirely within the rules of the game as they were stated.

In short, I'm saying it isn't cheating. That doesn't matter though since the mod considers it cheating for his game.

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You should play fable. All the off the wall **** you like to do in regular games is somewhat encouraged here.

Meh, fine I guess. I'm only in one other game atm so it's not like I can say I don't have the time.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 7:15 pm 
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Using screenshots of your own private messages weren't strictly against the rules either, it only specified other players or cato. Where and why are you drawing a distinction?

If screenshots were not a part of the game, why is that? Were content streaming, screen sharing, account sharing, packet sniffing, hacking, mod access or physical photos part of the game, since they were not explicitly mentioned in the such as statement?

Edit: Another question, while I'm on a streak: What do you think the intention between preventing players from sharing screenshots of private messages is, and what does enabling carbon copies do to the game?

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On the contrary. A screenshot is against the states rules as I just detailed in my post. While the content of said screenshot may be your post, screenshots are meta game information (beyond the game) whereas PMs were not. A distinct difference.

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I don't fully understand what you're asking about, so I'll clarify the principle behind the rule. You aren't allowed to prove that someone else (myself or another player) really said something to you. If you aren't doing that, it's ok. If you are, it's not allowed.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2016 5:59 am 
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On the contrary. A screenshot is against the states rules as I just detailed in my post. While the content of said screenshot may be your post, screenshots are meta game information (beyond the game) whereas PMs were not. A distinct difference.

You didn't detail it, you arbitrarily declared something a part of the game and another thing not. There is nothing there that would help me reach the same conclusion as you did, or make me consistently apply the same concept to other scenarios, which were the intent behind all the questions you just ignored.
Also, screenshots are not meta-game information. They explicitly contain game-information, although I'll cut you some slack since it's the terminology cato used as well, albeit erroneously.
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I don't fully understand what you're asking about, so I'll clarify the principle behind the rule. You aren't allowed to prove that someone else (myself or another player) really said something to you. If you aren't doing that, it's ok. If you are, it's not allowed.

Why is it acceptable to prove that you said something to someone else?

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