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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:29 pm 
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Tamiyo is confirmed Fel, Chris said she's in.


Well, I'm not really surprised.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:50 pm 
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That's not an unreasonable list actually.

A card like Bedlam Reveler is so wasted on Duels though. I mean I can see this thing being played in modern delver maybe (this is a decent play at 3/4 mana to refuel), but it's just way too slow to come online for our environment.

Ulvenwald Observer would be a wasted slot too (why couldn't we get Iskhanah); and if we get Sanctifier of Souls over Thalia's Lancers I'm gonna be damn sad. Besides that I guess Mind's Dilation feels like probably could be used in Simic Ramp for funsies, but it's not a good card outside of commander at all. I'd prefer Nibilis of Frost :p

Pretty satisfied with the rest of it tbh.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:56 pm 
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That's not an unreasonable list actually.

A card like Bedlam Reveler is so wasted on Duels though. I mean I can see this thing being played in modern delver maybe (this is a decent play at 3/4 mana to refuel), but it's just way too slow to come online for our environment.

Ulvenwald Observer would be a wasted slot too (why couldn't we get Iskhanah); and if we get Sanctifier of Souls over Thalia's Lancers I'm gonna be damn sad. Besides that I guess Mind's Dilation feels like probably could be used in Simic Ramp for funsies, but it's not a good card outside of commander at all. I'd prefer Nibilis of Frost :p

Pretty satisfied with the rest of it tbh.


Bear in mind that I made a list of Rares I think we'll get, not a list of the best Rares in the Set.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 12:59 pm 
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Sure I understand, I just said that I can take peace with that, although like, I don't understand why anyone would decide to give us Ulvenwald Observer? I mean brand recognition sure but LOTR is so last decade. Penetrating Mass is also a rare and 10 times as fun :p


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:02 pm 
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You are aware that Ishkanah, Grafwidow is Mythic right?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:12 pm 
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I agree on his U list. Black...Stromkirk or Cryptbreaker might be right. I could see them doing Noosegraf for one of those. I THINK they're wrong though; I think we're getting Dark Salvation for sure (big story line moment - we usually get those) and I'm HOPING for Voldaren Pariah. That thing opens so many doors, maybe even MBC.

Red's probably correct. The only real variable is if they give us Harmless Offering on the basis of a future combo. The White, I'm hoping for Lancers over Sanctifier too. I know I'd never run the latter.

I hope he's just terribly wrong about the G. Screw the Observer, I want Permeating Mass. He's missing a fifth, too. Splendid Reclamation has my vote.

Granted, my list (aside from Dark Salvation) is what I HOPE we'll get, not necessarily what I THINK we'll get. They're going to throw some trash at us in at least one colour. :(

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:12 pm 
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@ Wright:

Yeah I am, also aware that Nibilis of Dusk is not. Wouldn't mind that swap anyway :)


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:19 pm 
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I'd prefer to see an extra Blue rare over that poor mythic, so many more interesting things they could include. Same with Green too.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 1:22 pm 
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I included Observer and Sanctifier because they are Intro pack Rares and they usually give us some of those, although not all of them.

I had Dark Salvation there, but I wasn't really sure if they story moment in question is depicted in the card. Probably replaces Cryptbreaker.

I had one less in Green because there are fewer Green Rares than the other colors. I was going to include one less Rare in Red, thinking that they could consider Battlements as filling the whole there, but the extra Red Rare felt more likely to me than the other options in Green (again, not really what I want, but what I think is likely).

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 2:48 pm 
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You don't think Ulvenwald Observer will do well in ramp decks?

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You don't think Ulvenwald Observer will do well in ramp decks?


tbh, I could see it being decent, but not good enough to actually take any slots away from current options. You aren't going to play it over Woodland Belower, or Greenwarden, etc... ... ...


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:06 pm 
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DJ0045 wrote:
You don't think Ulvenwald Observer will do well in ramp decks?


tbh, I could see it being decent, but not good enough to actually take any slots away from current options. You aren't going to play it over Woodland Belower, or Greenwarden, etc... ... ...


Never mind I was thinking of Ulvenwald Captive.

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Fel, any reason for only 4 green rares when hanweir's battlements is as much of a red card as decimator of the provinces is a green card?

Sorry for potentially nitpicking, but I got the feeling that there's a pattern I'm not seeing.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:39 pm 
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Fel, any reason for only 4 green rares when hanweir's battlements is as much of a red card as decimator of the provinces is a green card?

Sorry for potentially nitpicking, but I got the feeling that there's a pattern I'm not seeing.


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I had one less in Green because there are fewer Green Rares than the other colors. I was going to include one less Rare in Red, thinking that they could consider Battlements as filling the whole there, but the extra Red Rare felt more likely to me than the other options in Green (again, not really what I want, but what I think is likely).

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DJ0045 wrote:
You don't think Ulvenwald Observer will do well in ramp decks?


tbh, I could see it being decent, but not good enough to actually take any slots away from current options. You aren't going to play it over Woodland Belower, or Greenwarden, etc... ... ...


Never mind I was thinking of Ulvenwald Captive.


Aha... yeah Captive could easily be playable. Actually, as per usual, I REALLYLLYLLYLYLYLYLYLYLYLYLYLY want it, lol.


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I hope they inclued an extra Black rare. They all look SO fun (yes, even Oath of Liliana)

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I just realised EMN has a card called Thraben foulbloods, which is a reference to our lord and saviour in DOTP 2015 Thraben Purebloods! Which as we all know used to tear up the meta alongside Brimaz and Baneslayer...

Too bad they had to ruin the flavour by making the foulbloods not 100% terrible :(

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 6:47 pm 
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Do you reckon we'll get this card?

Based on past experience probably not. White variety aggro decks would be nuts with this.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpj ... 7UyaTT.png


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Do you reckon we'll get this card?

Based on past experience probably not. White variety aggro decks would be nuts with this.

http://media.wizards.com/2016/ouhtebrpj ... 7UyaTT.png


It's not out of the realm. If it does come into the meta, it'll be very situational anyway; would be horrible if you run into the mirror.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 11:48 am 
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Just looked at the set again, white nonrare cards feel all pretty weak and the rate of good white rares to bad rares feels 50/50.
Wow.
To me the best 3 white nonrares look like:
Long road home
that escalate spell with 3 modes that somehow all read as "laught at aggro, cringe vs. Control"
And the cantripping 3/4.
With maybe exradicator of sins and desperate soldier being decent if them and topplegeist are enought to carry a delirium deck alone and lone rider possibly doing stuff since I might be underrating it.


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