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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:11 am 
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Here's my take on it:

SOI:

Black: 1 Mythic (Mindwrack Demon), 5 rares
Blue: 1 Mythic (Jace, Unraveler of Secrets), 5 rares
Green: 1 Mythic (Ulvenwald Hydra), 5 rares
Red: 1 Mythic (Wolf of Devil's Breach), 5 rares
White: 1 Mythic (Archangel Avacyn), 5 rares
Multicolor: 5 Mythics, 5 rares
Colorless: 0 Mythics, 3 rares

Total SOI: 10 mythics, 33 rares



So you predict 33x2+10 = 76 packs.
76 packs x3 commons = 57 commons x4 each for playsets.
76x2 = 152 uncommons, so 50 playsets at 3 each and 2 extra cards.

Could that be 1 extra rare, or 2 more Mythics, and different pack distribution in the last two you open? Could that mean a 2nd white mythic to pad that space? (Or instead, OGW padded the mismatch of a 64 pack set by having fewer uncommons and added commons in the last packs to fill out the playset multiples.)

To get the rarity split perfect, it needs multiples of 12 packs. eg, 84 packs could be 14M/35R, or 12M/36R, or 10M/37R. That gives 56 U and 63 C playsets.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 7:42 am 
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That's not a prediction, that's how many mythic and rare cards we got in SOI.

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1. We got 8 Mythics in OGW (Linvala, Tentacle pr0n, Kalitas, Chandra, Nissa, Kozi, Tazri and Kozi's Return)

2. G&G are in one of the pictures posted in the confirmation thread, so they are confirmed.
Ah, you're right, I forgot Kozi's Return, for some reason I thought that was just rare. I can only assume they put that in for flavor reasons, though. Doesn't really make sense otherwise.

And, oh good, I like G&G

@WrightJustice: Like I mentioned, that is possible, but I believe they're going to have one or two emerge eldrazi of each color and that the green one will just happen to be a the mythic of that 'theme'.

Emerge is only UG whereas Escalate is WRB.

Also EMN isn't going to have the same number of packs as SOI, it's a smaller set like OGW but a bit bigger than usual because of DFCs which didn't change anything for SOI (SOI is also a bit bigger than usual for a big set because of DFCs but we still only got 80 packs worth).

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:35 am 
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Sir_Shadow wrote:
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1. We got 8 Mythics in OGW (Linvala, Tentacle pr0n, Kalitas, Chandra, Nissa, Kozi, Tazri and Kozi's Return)

2. G&G are in one of the pictures posted in the confirmation thread, so they are confirmed.
Ah, you're right, I forgot Kozi's Return, for some reason I thought that was just rare. I can only assume they put that in for flavor reasons, though. Doesn't really make sense otherwise.

And, oh good, I like G&G

@WrightJustice: Like I mentioned, that is possible, but I believe they're going to have one or two emerge eldrazi of each color and that the green one will just happen to be a the mythic of that 'theme'.

Emerge is only UG whereas Escalate is WRB.

Also EMN isn't going to have the same number of packs as SOI, it's a smaller set like OGW but a bit bigger than usual because of DFCs which didn't change anything for SOI (SOI is also a bit bigger than usual for a big set because of DFCs but we still only got 80 packs worth).


Technically, it did change things because we got the back sides of the DFC's with the front sides, so each pack with a DFC counts as having an additional card.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:36 am 
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Chaos Reveler costs 1 Mana less to play for each instant or sorcery card in your graveyard.

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When Chaos Reveler enters the battlefield, discard your hand and draw three cards.

3/4


I'm a bit torn on this one. Not worried about the cost, but by the time you're likely able to play this turn 4+, is it going to be that useful without any evasion? Discarding and drawing 3 is useful, but not a mechanic that's particularly to my taste or interest.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 8:44 am 
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that would probably be interesting as a 1 of

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GFTL wrote:
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Chaos Reveler costs 1 Mana less to play for each instant or sorcery card in your graveyard.

Prowess

When Chaos Reveler enters the battlefield, discard your hand and draw three cards.

3/4


I'm a bit torn on this one. Not worried about the cost, but by the time you're likely able to play this turn 4+, is it going to be that useful without any evasion? Discarding and drawing 3 is useful, but not a mechanic that's particularly to my taste or interest.


It's good in burn. It comes out when you've dumped your hand and gives you more gas. The body's just gravy.

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If anything it's a decent top-deck lategame when you might only have one card in hand. Instantly draw 3 for 2 mana and get a body? Sure.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:01 am 
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GFTL wrote:
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Ah, you're right, I forgot Kozi's Return, for some reason I thought that was just rare. I can only assume they put that in for flavor reasons, though. Doesn't really make sense otherwise.

And, oh good, I like G&G

@WrightJustice: Like I mentioned, that is possible, but I believe they're going to have one or two emerge eldrazi of each color and that the green one will just happen to be a the mythic of that 'theme'.

Emerge is only UG whereas Escalate is WRB.

Also EMN isn't going to have the same number of packs as SOI, it's a smaller set like OGW but a bit bigger than usual because of DFCs which didn't change anything for SOI (SOI is also a bit bigger than usual for a big set because of DFCs but we still only got 80 packs worth).


Technically, it did change things because we got the back sides of the DFC's with the front sides, so each pack with a DFC counts as having an additional card.

Well no because that's not the point, they're still really just the same cards. The point is that DFCs need their own print so that legit increase the amount of cards in the set for example EMN is 14 Mythics instead of the typical 12 (they increased small sets to 12 instead of 10 a few sets back) and that's actual cards not being silly with backsides. So for example Gisela and Ulrich are 2 extra Mythics in EMN compared to OGW and Avacyn and others where extra mythics in SOI but in duels that doesn't appear to be taken into account, as we can see we got the same number of mythics in SOI as we did in Origins and BFZ despite SOI having an increased amount.
So if we go off that then duels EMN isn't likely to take into account that paper EMN has more slots because of DFCs either. On the other hand SOI was 80 packs and that seems like the maximum whereas OGW was 64 packs so it could be possible EMN will be a few more like maybe 66-68 packs.

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Chaos Reveler costs 1 Mana less to play for each instant or sorcery card in your graveyard.

Prowess

When Chaos Reveler enters the battlefield, discard your hand and draw three cards.

3/4

Does no-one else have trouble seeing direct links to images from magic spoiler? This is a broken image to me and it seems that direct image links from there never work.
Seems like an interesting card mind you.

EDIT: Yeah reddit confirms you're not allowed to hotlink from magic spoiler so that's why when someone tries to link directly to images on here it never works. Pretty sure when went over this when it was SOI time too.

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Does no-one else have trouble seeing direct links to images from mythic spoiler? This is a broken image to me and it seems that direct image links from there never work.
Seems like an interesting card mind you.
It's because they changed the name of the image for some reason.


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What's its rarity?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:12 am 
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Rare...which for once is actually fine since you wouldn't want to run more than two anyway.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 9:14 am 
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Well no because that's not the point, they're still really just the same cards. The point is that DFCs need their own print so that legit increase the amount of cards in the set for example EMN is 14 Mythics instead of the typical 12 (they increased small sets to 12 instead of 10 a few sets back) and that's actual cards not being silly with backsides.


No. The 14 mythics include the back sides of DFC cards. So it's actually 12 mythics + Brisela and flipside Ulrich.

So for example Gisela and Ulrich are 2 extra Mythics in EMN compared to OGW and Avacyn and others where extra mythics in SOI but in duels that doesn't appear to be taken into account, as we can see we got the same number of mythics in SOI as we did in Origins and BFZ despite SOI having an increased amount.


Wrong again. The card count in Wizards sources always lists DFC cards as two separate cards, but in Duels the two DFC cards are treated as one card when counting cards for packs. So we actually got more mythics in SOI (Arlinn front+back and Avacyn front+back).

So if we go off that then duels EMN isn't likely to take into account that paper EMN has more slots because of DFCs either. On the other hand SOI was 80 packs and that seems like the maximum whereas OGW was 64 packs so it could be possible EMN will be a few more like maybe 66-68 packs.


Nope. Duels EMN will "take into account" the fact that that EMN has more slots since we automatically get the back half of each DFC card we get. I'm absolutely sure we're still getting 64 packs.

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Chaos Reveler costs 1 Mana less to play for each instant or sorcery card in your graveyard.

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When Chaos Reveler enters the battlefield, discard your hand and draw three cards.

3/4


This is a good top end for prowess decks. Refill your hand after the early game and keeps pressure with the 3/4 body.

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Well no because that's not the point, they're still really just the same cards. The point is that DFCs need their own print so that legit increase the amount of cards in the set for example EMN is 14 Mythics instead of the typical 12 (they increased small sets to 12 instead of 10 a few sets back) and that's actual cards not being silly with backsides.


No. The 14 mythics include the back sides of DFC cards. So it's actually 12 mythics + Brisela and flipside Ulrich.

So for example Gisela and Ulrich are 2 extra Mythics in EMN compared to OGW and Avacyn and others where extra mythics in SOI but in duels that doesn't appear to be taken into account, as we can see we got the same number of mythics in SOI as we did in Origins and BFZ despite SOI having an increased amount.


Wrong again. The card count in Wizards sources always lists DFC cards as two separate cards, but in Duels the two DFC cards are treated as one card when counting cards for packs. So we actually got more mythics in SOI (Arlinn front+back and Avacyn front+back).

So if we go off that then duels EMN isn't likely to take into account that paper EMN has more slots because of DFCs either. On the other hand SOI was 80 packs and that seems like the maximum whereas OGW was 64 packs so it could be possible EMN will be a few more like maybe 66-68 packs.


Nope. Duels EMN will "take into account" the fact that that EMN has more slots since we automatically get the back half of each DFC card we get. I'm absolutely sure we're still getting 64 packs.

No, they don't count as separate cards. MaRo has explained a bunch of times that they count as 1 card and they have their own print run so it increases the amount a bit.
For example BFZ has the usual 15 Mythics and SOI has 18 Mythics not counting the backs of DFCs.
It's also why in paper you have a chance to pull both a normal Mythic and a DFC Mythic in the same pack because the DFCs come off a separate sheet.
The count for rares and such goes up too by the way.

EDIT: Figured I will layout the actual count:
BFZ: Gideon, Kiora, Ob, Dragonmaster Outcast, Greenwarden, Quaratine Field, Waterveil, Drana, Firebird, Undergrowth Champion, Ulamog, Void Winnower, Sower, Sire and Omnath. That's 15.
SOI: Avacyn, Jace, Relentless, Castigator, Hydra, Descend, Startled Awake, Behold the Beyond, Wolf ODB, Seasons Past, Masterpiece, Mindwrack Demon, Arlinn, Nahiri, Sorin, Olivia, Sigarda and Gitrog Monster. That's 18 not even counting the backsides of Avacyn, Arlinn and Startled Awake.

Also the same is for the previous Innistrad block which is how people where able to guess SOI would have 18 mythics to begin with because they already had to do the same with the DFCs in original Innistrad.

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Chaos Reveler costs 1 Mana less to play for each instant or sorcery card in your graveyard.

Prowess

When Chaos Reveler enters the battlefield, discard your hand and draw three cards.

3/4


This is a good top end for prowess decks. Refill your hand after the early game and keeps pressure with the 3/4 body.


Looks good, I can see it coming in for RR pretty easily. Card draw is always useful and it at least gives you a reason to dump your hand. Wizards be praised! They've heard the prayers of Red mages all over the World and made some playable cards.
Titi doesn't Bounce it too... Could be good, could be bad. I have a feeling titi is going to be cut from a lot of decks...

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Could be good, could be bad. I have a feeling titi is going to be cut from a lot of decks...


Yeah...being honest, TITI was probably my biggest let down. Too many ways to negate its flip form/reset it, lots of wide or evasive aggro decks for an 0/4 to be useful in our format. He was too much work to operate in Duels for my tastes.

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Chaos Reveler seems particularly good with the Blinkdrazi...Boros hand refill confirmed!

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Chaos Reveler seems particularly good with the Blinkdrazi...Boros hand refill confirmed!


I might revisit the Boros Eldrazi midrange deck I did a while back with some of these new additions.

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