I don't think they are going to change the Set size/ratio they had in OGW. That's what I'm using as a base. You can say Gisela will take an extra slot and put Tamiyo in the White one, but that doesn't change much.

They're not going to put in a multicolor as the one mythic that a color gets. That would be incredibly stupid.

more then just that, Liliana was a pre-mending walker too, Nicol Bolas is back to his pre-mending power levels. Maybe Jaya was turned into a vampire, who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/

plenty of ways for a "dead" character to not be dead in magic the gathering

Fair enough, but on a more literary point, Chandra has in the past received a LOT of criticism for being a Jaya clone. I don't think they're going to bring Jaya around so long as we have Chandra. Also, the demon contracts are the reason Lili is still alive, and dragons are immortal.

What would be incradibly stupid is giving us that dumb Mythic enchantment Wizards decided to print. They are going to give us a colorless card as the Green Mythic (this is an assumption, I know), an UB as the Blue one wouldn't be that different. They need some leeway in those things because R&D doesn't think about Duels when they are designing cards.

I actually like said Mythic enchantment, and wizard has already given blue a dumb blue sorcery as their mythic, so there's already precedent. I also doubt that green's will be the decimater, it will probably be the spider.

Crush of Tentacles at least is a real card with a chance of being cast and do something. The enchantment is more like The Great Aurora (a card we didn't get), where you play a million mana and have a chance of not getting anything.

Discussing things we can only guess is not going to take us anywhere. Do you think I'm wrong, post your predictions and give your reasonings, so when we get the card list, we'll see who got more things right.

Have you ever played Crush or seen it played in a deck that beat yours?

Yes.

Okay. I predict they'll replace Archangel of Tithes with Archangel of Thune.

uh huh. Also, at the very least, that enchantment you're poo-poo is exiling cards which feeds eldrazi and mills their deck. It it once per turn, not just on their turn, so if your opponent decides to cast something on yours, they will also have to exile a card.

That would be sweet, actually.




Mentioning corner-cases where the card does something (however little it is) won't help when the problem of the card is that you pay too much to not do anything most of the time.

I actually just realized that I was missreading the card. I thought it triggered on each spell your opponent casts, not only on the first. It's actually even worse than I thought!

Wait, hold on just a second, you thought it was a bad card if it exiled on every spell cast? That would be incredibly overpowered for just a 7 mana card.

Y'know what, I'm just done with this discussion. You can think whatever you want.

Boy, I didn't know the definition of overpowered could vary so much from player to player.

Alright, so this is the culprit of all this argument? Quoting to you direct from page 60 of this thread, let's take a real hard look at the card again.


Have you looked?




You're not done looking yet, take it all in, even the artist and everything.



Okay, good enough. Mind's Dilation... what we have here is a card that pushes the game towards inertia on the part of the opponent. Once you play Sire of Stagnation the opponent is obliged to either remove it or stop playing lands, that's a form of inertia. Archangel of Tithes, when she works correctly, pushes the opponent towards combat inertia. Mind's Dilation tries to push them towards spell inertia, not unlike big Jace's ultimate. Like big Jace's ultimate, Mind's Dilation is not easy to pull off. A 7-mana enchantment that has no immediate board impact (aside from maybe your opponent's decision of when to play an instant this turn) is a hard sell. That alone would not be enough to have me dismiss it, however. I could ramp up to it, I could stonewall the opponent with counterspells, walls, sweepers, whatever it took to delay to a stable enough board and 7+ mana. No, the real problem is it's a mythic rare.

This is a build-around card, something you warp your deck to include as a win condition / opponent hassler. With only one copy, even the Johnnies like me will be hard pressed to find a good home for it. I'm not saying I wouldn't use it, I'm sure it'll wriggle into a weird home in some deck, somewhere. You cannot depend on it though, and that's the crippling bit. All the dreams of how to use it, what to do with it, all turn to ash when you've gone through the top 30 cards of your library and you still haven't found it yet. Maybe a clue deck could tutor it up with Tamiyo's Journal as a late game monument to your fabulously decadent excess and hubris, but by then you probably could have won with whatever else you decided to tutor out of your deck, or just won with the tokens you produced off of your Ulvenwald Mysteries.

I'll use it, sure enough, and a few other folks will try it out too. Between the mana cost and the singleton nature of its deck construction though, I doubt it will have much impact at all on our format.

What was SOI's ratio actually? I know they didn't make SOI go over the 80 packs worth but the actual paper set was bigger and had more slots in general because of DFCs and they did at least skip over a bunch of the crappy common stuff to fit in more of the good stuff right? Didn't they not shift around numbers a bit to fit in an extra Mythic compared to Origins? Maybe I'm remembering wrong in thinking the last pack had only 4 cards.

In any case I suppose it makes most sense to keep ratio the same but SOI was 80 which feels like the maximum whereas OGW was 64 so I don't think it's out of the question for EMN to be around 66-68 to account for the extra size of the set that the DFCs cause.

The problem isn't that it's a one of. It's that it isn't a good one of. If I were building even mono blue control, I have better win cons. No deck wants this card.

Oh, it'll never be top-tier, that's for sure. If I knew I could draw 4 copies of it though, I could very well build a casual deck around it. Hmm... that reminds me... do you think this could be a solid role-player in two-headed giant decks?

We got 10 Mythics in SOI, much like in ORI (Avacyn, Jace, Mindwrack Demon, Wolf of Crap Breach, Hydra, Arlinn, Sorin, Hypnotoad, Nahiri and Olivia).

Card predictions for Mythics! But first, let's look at the numbers!

ORI: 10 Mythics
BFZ: 10 Mythics
OTG: 7 Mythics
SOI: 10 Mythics

All sets have at least 1 per mono color. Origins had 2 per color and the second was the DF planeswalker. BFZ had 2 colorless mythics, and we'll look at Multicolor in a sec. In OTG, Conflux had 1 in Tazri and actual Colorless had 1 in Kozilik which is what I think the design team was going for. On to SOI and multicolor:

When looking at Multicolors, I've noticed that as a whole, they try to keep an even distribution of colors across the entire thing without regard for the rarity of the card. Looking at multicolor cards in BFZ, we see on 4, on 5, and , , nd on 6. As a as far as mythics go in BFZ, white had none, nd were on one each, and nd were on 2/3. Why did White get hosed? I don't know, they didn't even have more mono cards than any other color. Maybe the design team knew there would be two white mythics (technically) in OTG?

SOI has a pretty even distribution in the multicolor (fun fact: there are only rare and mythic multicolor in SOI and it's an even split) with 3 for , 4 cards for , , nd , 5 for . has no multicolor mythics in SOI, nd have 2 each, and nd each have 3. I was kind of surprised blue had absolutely no Mythics, but hey they got Fevered Visions and Altered Ego. It's also possible that the design team knew that some fun multicolor mythics for blue (Gisa and Geralf / Tamiyo) would be coming up in EMN and judged accordingly.

That said, I think you cannot argue that there will be 1 mono color mythic for each color. Based on what we have spoiled so far (though maybe a little early to speculate as we still have some weeks) I'd have to say they are as follows:

Deploy the Gatewatch
The Gatewatch is a major theme they are pushing right now, so it just makes sense to me. We know Gisela is going to be in the game, so she could fit this slot, I just think that due to her Meld mechanic, she will be considered a 'special' one like Tazri.

Mind's Dilation
Really, only because it's the only one that's been spoiled. As much as I personally like this card, I'd much rather see a creature in the blue mythic slot this time.

Liliana, the Last Hope
Needs no explanation. This is pretty much 100% a sure thing.

Mirrorwing Dragon
Again, just the only one that's been spoiled and it looks sick, so that might just be wishful thinking on my part.

Ishakanah, Grafwidow
Yeah... just the only one revealed. We don't even have really any spiders in Duels so I hope this isn't what we get, or that the tribe get some big support with this expansion.

So of those, only White and Black are what I'd put money on. At minimum we get 2 more for total of 7 or as much as 5 more for 10 total. I think at minimum we get Gisela and Emrakul since we know Gisela is in and Emrakul is the flagship antagonist for the set, and if they slot Gisela into the White slot, then it's definitely gonna be Tamiyo because everyone has a hard-on for planeswalkers apparently. If Tamiyo does get in, she'll be the first 3 color card in Duels.

On the subject of Decimator, I think it's almost definitely in but as a 'special' slot. Emerge is their major keyword for this expansion and there's probably going to be a suite of colorless creatures, one or two for each color.

If we get more... I'd say Gisa and Geralf are definitely in. They're popular characters and blue had no multicolor mythics in SOI. Plus, it would support the zombie tribe which is Innistrad's bread and butter. Ulrich is also a strong contender for a special slot since werewolves could use more support.