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That's a card alright.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 12:59 pm 
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Boring! Where are the rest of the PWs!?!

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Boring! Where are the rest of the PWs!?!


Boring, yes. But, it is a common, a 2/2 for 2, and a Vampire. Could be a staple in the format if it comes over.

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So it can be played in Bant, Bant, Bant, and Bant?


It can be played in either Azorius or Selesnya and be literally the only card that is an outlier - 1 card out of 60 in Duels (2-4 cards in a constructed environment), and probably supported entirely by dual lands that will have little to no effect on the viability of playing the WG or WU cards in the deck (I doubt I'd even add 1 island, or forest). It will probably not even effect the consistency of the mana base at all. That is definitely not what I'd call a Bant deck unless I was just trying to be technical just for argument's sake. You'll probably see it in Standard after the next set, btw, when the Selesnya Tokens deck starts splashing U just for Tamiyo - I'd bet they still call it Selesnya Tokens if they do, btw, same as I am doing right now.

Splashing in a third color will of course affect the consistency of the mana base.

And I don't care what they want to call it, it won't be Selesnya Tokens, just like Jeskai Black isn't Jeskai. Unrelated to colors, but when Dralnu Du Louvre cut Dralnu it kept the name, because that was the name of the initial shell. The name isn't what is important. A deck running W, U, and G cards is a Bant deck. That's just it's color designation.

(EDIT: And not for nothing, because it's related to a separate argument, but Cryptic Command shows up in plenty of two color and even a few three color decks. Duels wouldn't be able to consistently pull that off, but Standard and Modern certainly can with the right sets.)


Splashing a third color will have a negligible effect on the consistency of the mana base if it has no effect on the number of sources of the two primary colors, which will be the case in both Selesnya Humans, and Azorius Fliers - both of which are decks which are likely to splash for Tamiyo. If you consider both of those decks Bant after the splash, I hope you realize that we are having a semantics discussion. Shall we also argue about the proper way to spell the word color/colour, because this is a waste of both of our times. You'll be able to run Tamiyo in either of those extremely different decks, and you'd be able to do so in standard with similarly minimal effect (even at 4 copies). A 1UUU card (at 4 copies) needs about 20-25 sources of U Mana, that's almost the entire deck - You can't splash for it, but (as you mentioned) you might be able to splash out of it.


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What a waste of a mythic.


I like it. You could make a control deck with little to no wincons and rely on your opponent to have some. Also good for trolling :V imagine the salt when you get their precious Chandra. Or just the fear of it.

But this WOULD be your win condition. And I'm not eager to tap out for a 7 drop enchantment that could maybe possibly do something at some point down the road.

How would this work with Emrakul? I'm taking his turn, but I'm playing as my opponent? How would I cast the spell if I'm taking his turn?... Not gonna get either one... Lol :D

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We missed out on Zada, but maybe we can get this one?



I think the value of Reprisal or even Plummet may notch up just a hair if we get this.

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Definitely looking like we might not get Emrakul... Decimator has been confirmed for duels which is a colourless mythic.

https://twitter.com/Magic_Duels/status/750378713251020800

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I like it. You could make a control deck with little to no wincons and rely on your opponent to have some. Also good for trolling :V imagine the salt when you get their precious Chandra. Or just the fear of it.

But this WOULD be your win condition. And I'm not eager to tap out for a 7 drop enchantment that could maybe possibly do something at some point down the road.

How would this work with Emrakul? I'm taking his turn, but I'm playing as my opponent? How would I cast the spell if I'm taking his turn?... Not gonna get either one... Lol :D
If you're opponent cast a spell from his hand while he was controlling your turn, it would go off. When your opponent casts spells from your hand while he's controlling your turn, it does not.


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Definitely looking like we might not get Emrakul... Decimator has been confirmed for duels which is a colourless mythic.

https://twitter.com/Magic_Duels/status/750378713251020800
What? How could we get Kozilek and Ulamog, but not Emrakul?


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Definitely looking like we might not get Emrakul... Decimator has been confirmed for duels which is a colourless mythic.

https://twitter.com/Magic_Duels/status/750378713251020800


Ah yes, my GW tokens deck is still a possibility. :plot: Let's not kid ourselves though; Emarukul wasn't coming to Duels in the first place. Coding that thing would be a nightmare.

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How would this work with Emrakul? I'm taking his turn, but I'm playing as my opponent? How would I cast the spell if I'm taking his turn?... Not gonna get either one... Lol :D


Easy, it would just crash the game. Maybe even blow up your computer. :)


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Boring! Where are the rest of the PWs!?!


Boring, yes. But, it is a common, a 2/2 for 2, and a Vampire. Could be a staple in the format if it comes over.


In what deck? Boros aggro is a possibly, or even Rakdos vampires. The card has its perks.

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@DJ & The mana cost/ease of casting crowd:

This conversation has gotten way out of hand. Both sides have valid points, both sides are failing to see the validity of the other side's argument. It's pretty stupid.. can we please just let this go for the sake of the thread?

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I want a card that says: exile all plainswalker cards. Can't be countered (optional).
Can be Black, Red or both and has a 4cmc tops. Please wizards, print this card soon or stop making new PW cards. They bore the hell out of me...

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@DJ & The mana cost/ease of casting crowd:

This conversation has gotten way out of hand. Both sides have valid points, both sides are failing to see the validity of the other side's argument. It's pretty stupid.. can we please just let this go for the sake of the thread?


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I'm beyond over it, so like Truce? Or whatever...


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We missed out on Zada, but maybe we can get this one?



I think the value of Reprisal or even Plummet may notch up just a hair if we get this.


Unnatural Aggression is probably better than Plummet.

Also, the dragon is vulnerable to Gilt-Leaf Winnower and Isolation Zone if you don't need it dead at instant speed - which you probably don't, if the opponent has things at instant speed you can't do anything to be faster than the mirroring ability.


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Kryder wrote:
Boring! Where are the rest of the PWs!?!


Boring, yes. But, it is a common, a 2/2 for 2, and a Vampire. Could be a staple in the format if it comes over.


What.next? Goblin piker is playable too?

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Boring! Where are the rest of the PWs!?!


Boring, yes. But, it is a common, a 2/2 for 2, and a Vampire. Could be a staple in the format if it comes over.


What.next? Goblin piker is playable too?


I'm working on BR Vampires right now, it's definitely not good enough for BR, so possibly mono R vamps, but I'm drawing a blank on why mono R vamps would be chosen over BR. I think it might not be good enough, even in duels.


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