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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:37 am 
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First impression: Hey, this seems really good for a delirium deck and could enable some fun strategies...

Oh wait it's a mythic nvm


Still looks pretty solid. Sure it would be better as a 4 of, but its not like Green and black doesn't have more value creatures to add...

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:49 am 
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First impression: Hey, this seems really good for a delirium deck and could enable some fun strategies...

Oh wait it's a mythic nvm
Still looks pretty solid. Sure it would be better as a 4 of, but its not like Green and black doesn't have more value creatures to add...
It does mean we might not get it at all though.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:53 am 
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Would we even want it? It basically needs to come down on t2-3 to be worth playing, and we won't get 4 copies. Meh. I'd love to run 4 copies in a deck though.


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He seems decent and very good for delirium, though it is a shame he is mythic in terms of duels.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 8:59 am 
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He seems decent and very good for delirium, though it is a shame he is mythic in terms of duels.


That's code for 'unplayable in Duels.' Sigh.

On the bright side, I think it will be fun to see if it has an effect on constructed formats. I feel like it will, but I'm not sure where.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:12 am 
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Would we even want it? It basically needs to come down on t2-3 to be worth playing, and we won't get 4 copies. Meh. I'd love to run 4 copies in a deck though.
Late game it's a 2cmc 4/4 with trample? Yeah, sure, why wouldn't I want it?


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:15 am 
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Oh, the trample is for interacting with a sylvan advocate with a dead weight put on it maybe.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:23 am 
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Would we even want it? It basically needs to come down on t2-3 to be worth playing, and we won't get 4 copies. Meh. I'd love to run 4 copies in a deck though.
Late game it's a 2cmc 4/4 with trample? Yeah, sure, why wouldn't I want it?


It's only going to be a 4/4 if you built your deck so that that would happen - e.g.: you have ways to put 4 card types in the GY. This is a build around me card. You can be as hype as you want about it, but unless we get a ton of other reasons to make a delirium deck, and/or playable reasons why this card might still work, this card won't even be worth playing in duels. It's not a card that gets thrown into delirium decks, it's the engine that makes delirium decks work (worth playing) in the first place - and you only get one, even though you needed 4 to make it worthwhile.

Don't confuse this card with Sylvan Advocate (for example), which slots into any deck, because it requires no effort to get to six lands. This card actually needs deck adjustment to function properly, and it isn't going to be worth it just for this 1-copy card.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:34 am 
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It's a bear that can fix your draws, even without delirium some deck might still want him.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:35 am 
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We missed out on Zada, but maybe we can get this one?

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:36 am 
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Would we even want it? It basically needs to come down on t2-3 to be worth playing, and we won't get 4 copies. Meh. I'd love to run 4 copies in a deck though.
Late game it's a 2cmc 4/4 with trample? Yeah, sure, why wouldn't I want it?
It's only going to be a 4/4 if you built your deck so that that would happen - e.g.: you have ways to put 4 card types in the GY. This is a build around me card. You can be as hype as you want about it, but unless we get a ton of other reasons to make a delirium deck, and/or playable reasons why this card might still work, this card won't even be worth playing in duels. It's not a card that gets thrown into delirium decks, it's the engine that makes delirium decks work (worth playing) in the first place - and you only get one, even though you needed 4 to make it worthwhile.

Don't confuse this card with Sylvan Advocate (for example), which slots into any deck, because it requires no effort to get to six lands. This card actually needs deck adjustment to function properly, and it isn't going to be worth it just for this 1-copy card.
I think decks that cater to delerium cards already do their job just fine, there's plenty of self-mill and discard to get exactly what I need there. I agree that it's not a strong deck right now, but I was just pointing out that this card is an auto-include in any deck that already runs delerium cards.


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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:36 am 
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What a waste of a mythic.

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What a waste of a mythic.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:39 am 
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What a waste of a mythic.

Not so...
Try comboing it with Pyromancer's Assault. Sure its expensive, but bang! It will keep the spells coming.

EDIT: read it wrong... Read player and not opponent.
Still interesting, but for that casting cost, you need a card that does something now...

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What a waste of a mythic.


aka Perfect for Duels :D


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Haven_pt wrote:
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What a waste of a mythic.

Not so...
Try comboing it with Pyromancer's Assault. Sure its expensive, but bang! It will keep the spells coming.

EDIT: read it wrong... Read player and not opponent.
Still interesting, but for that casting cost, you need a card that does something now...


Depends on what your opponent has in their deck...you're casting their spells, not yours. Also, Pyromancer's Assault shouldn't work too well here.

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We missed out on Zada, but maybe we can get this one?


I want to play this solely to see if I can get some random to use Anguished Unmaking on it :D

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DJ0045 wrote:
For the Tamiyo example, the comparison would be something like 1UGW vs 1UUU, and then we'd ask which should be pushed harder at the same rarity. WotC tend to push the former, but the latter is actually harder to play.


You're not even taking deckbuilding into account. 1UUU is extremely easy to play if you're running a mono-U deck. 1UGW is harder to play because it requires you to build a deck with 3 colors in its mana base. How something this simple is generating so much debate is beyond me.


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Opponent casts a ravaging blaze targeting the dragon = Instant loss for you!

Still want it though, just for the laughs whenever it goes off.

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