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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:32 pm 
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Bant Tempo is absolutely going to be a thing.


Bant Tempo was already a thing. ;p

But I think Bant Humans Midrange will be flat out better. I mean it's not like you'd play Krasis over Reflector Mage, Tireless Tracker, Always Watching, etc... ... ... This list is getting longer this set - not sure what we're getting yet though. At this time, the only reason I can think of to stray away from 100% humans is Sylvan Advocate (in the early play part of the deck obviously, because the top end will surely be angels, etc...)


I'd probably play Krasis WITH those people and in a Bant tempo deck, I'd probably play it over Tracker in the extremely rare scenario where I can't have both for some reason.

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Also... Prey Upon?!?! Fo' realz? What's next, Lightning Bolt?


Am I missing something? Rabid Bite is already a thing, and for just :1: more it doesn't endanger your guy.

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@DJ: You posted a deck? Where? I don't believe it.. you're way too Hakeem-y to participate in such peasant activity.


I just don't flood the board with speculative garbage.

I've posted a build on every single deck I thought vaible this season, with the only exception being PW.deck

I'm in on mill, ramp, control, aggro, fliers, tempo, etc... I honestly can't think of a legit build I haven't posted on at this point; I even did werewolves and vampires (except as mentioned above, but I'm not interested, sorry. I don't want to play 30 minute games).

Wtf are you talking about?


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Also... Prey Upon?!?! Fo' realz? What's next, Lightning Bolt?


Am I missing something? Rabid Bite is already a thing, and for just :1: more it doesn't endanger your guy.


Prey Upon was MVP in DOTP 2015, so people love it, but I agree with you. I would much rather have Rabid Bite.

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Also... Prey Upon?!?! Fo' realz? What's next, Lightning Bolt?


Am I missing something? Rabid Bite is already a thing, and for just :1: more it doesn't endanger your guy.


The reduced cost is pretty important, but obviously comparing it to Lightning Bolt is like comparing Dispel to counterspell.

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Bant Tempo is absolutely going to be a thing.


Bant Tempo was already a thing. ;p

But I think Bant Humans Midrange will be flat out better. I mean it's not like you'd play Krasis over Reflector Mage, Tireless Tracker, Always Watching, etc... ... ... This list is getting longer this set - not sure what we're getting yet though. At this time, the only reason I can think of to stray away from 100% humans is Sylvan Advocate (in the early play part of the deck obviously, because the top end will surely be angels, etc...)


I'd probably play Krasis WITH those people and in a Bant tempo deck, I'd probably play it over Tracker in the extremely rare scenario where I can't have both for some reason.


I think that's crazy, tracker just so seems much more important, IMO. I've never been a huge fan of Krasis though, so maybe this comes down to personal preference.


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Not sure how to feel about Tamiyo, is not an issue in a PW Superfriends deck; and adding the +1 Loyalty that is usually carried around, her Ultimate might just be a bit too strong in this environment, with all the fatties carrying abilities we are getting.

Maybe, in the end she'll just be a secondary choice for a PW deck.

Selesnya is still stronk.
More useful blue needed for a Dmir.


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DJ0045 wrote:
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Bant Tempo was already a thing. ;p

But I think Bant Humans Midrange will be flat out better. I mean it's not like you'd play Krasis over Reflector Mage, Tireless Tracker, Always Watching, etc... ... ... This list is getting longer this set - not sure what we're getting yet though. At this time, the only reason I can think of to stray away from 100% humans is Sylvan Advocate (in the early play part of the deck obviously, because the top end will surely be angels, etc...)


I'd probably play Krasis WITH those people and in a Bant tempo deck, I'd probably play it over Tracker in the extremely rare scenario where I can't have both for some reason.


I think that's crazy, tracker just so seems much more important, IMO. I've never been a huge fan of Krasis though, so maybe this comes down to personal preference.


Tracker is amazing, but it's a bit slower than Krasis, which is a body and a trick.

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We still lack for playable Artifact Creatures - or other double card type cards, like artifact lands, etc...


Or any equipment that's good enough to bother running any of the creatures that synergize with them. The few half way decent ones we have are gimicky.


If we do get some bomb ass equipment.. Kazul's Toll Collector is just dying to be built around. Weapons Trainer.. not so much.


I built a Boros equipment deck (partially to complete a community challenge that had to do with equipping things, and partially because I wanted to test out the equipment themed creatures), and Toll Collector was one of the best things about the deck. Really bummed me out tho that all the other ones are human, so his creature subtype doesn't gell for Stoneforge Masterwork.

Weapons Trainer was very underwhelming, except for the rare occasions I'd have a pair of him on the board along with the :r::w: double strike champion. A 3/2 for 2CMC isn't bad, but his ability didn't impress me in practice as much as i initially thought it would. It's a little wack that Boros aura still makes better decks than Boros equipment.

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Midrange PW will run Tamiyo period. Between Woodland Wanderer, Reflector Mage (which you now have access to thanks to splashing Blue for Tamiyo), Avacyn, Sylvan Advocate and tokens something is gonna go to battle, and as long as its damage isn't prevented (it's not limited to players!), you will draw these 1-2 cards. She needs creatures, but once she gets those she'll go off.

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Man, I tried sooooo hard to make weapons trainer work. I just kept coming up short. I really wanted to do something with Boros too. Le sigh.


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Man, I tried sooooo hard to make weapons trainer work. I just kept coming up short. I really wanted to do something with Boros too. Le sigh.


CGB did something with Weapons Trainer in a Boros deck he likes on stream.

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Also... Prey Upon?!?! Fo' realz? What's next, Lightning Bolt?


Am I missing something? Rabid Bite is already a thing, and for just :1: more it doesn't endanger your guy.


The reduced cost is pretty important, but obviously comparing it to Lightning Bolt is like comparing Dispel to counterspell.


Just surprising me that the few people who have commented on prey upon were singing high praise, when the comments I've seen on rabid bite around here largely dog on it and only give it a little credit for being removal in :g:. While it's prob not the same people saying both things, it's just got me confused about the vastly different takes on an effect that's only separated by :1: (though the more expensive one doesn't have the same damage exchange drawback).

I don't have any experience with previous versions of digital magic, so I didn't know prey upon has prior history like zzmorg mentioned.

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Midrange PW will run Tamiyo period. Between Woodland Wanderer, Reflector Mage (which you now have access to thanks to splashing Blue for Tamiyo), Avacyn, Sylvan Advocate and tokens something is gonna go to battle, and as long as its damage isn't prevented (it's not limited to players!), you will draw these 1-2 cards. She needs creatures, but once she gets those she'll go off.

You're talking about a very overstuffed and unfocused deck. Just sounds strictly worse than GRWB Planeswalkers. Just because good cards exist doesn't mean you have to break a deck to fit them in.

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Man, I tried sooooo hard to make weapons trainer work. I just kept coming up short. I really wanted to do something with Boros too. Le sigh.


CGB did something with Weapons Trainer in a Boros deck he likes on stream.


I doubt it was anything more than an end of season diversion to try and keep things interesting. The problem I ran into with the card, is that it was too conditional, and really only worked when the opponent did nothing to stop you. But, I felt the decks were just a bit short on quality, so maybe, just maybe we'll get the card or two it missed in this expansion. /shrug

Edit: btw, if I had a dollar for every time CGB 'liked' a deck today, and hated it tomorrow, I'd have like some dollars. I guarantee you, if I went on his show with a weapon trainer Boros deck, he'd rip me a new one.


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@DJ: You posted a deck? Where? I don't believe it.. you're way too Hakeem-y to participate in such peasant activity.


I just don't flood the board with speculative garbage.

I've posted a build on every single deck I thought vaible this season, with the only exception being PW.deck

I'm in on mill, ramp, control, aggro, fliers, tempo, etc... I honestly can't think of a legit build I haven't posted on at this point; I even did werewolves and vampires (except as mentioned above, but I'm not interested, sorry. I don't want to play 30 minute games).

Wtf are you talking about?


In the decklist section or the constructed section? I don't even go to the decklist section anymore.. its too cumbersome to find anything except what's on the most recent page.

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Oath of Nissa could work pretty nicely to help with getting Tamiyo out on turn four if other mana fixing doesn't work out. Now all we need is Rhox War Monk.


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Rhox War Monk, Wooly Thoctar, Sprouting Thrinax, and all the other badass three color cards from 2015 would be an awesome bonus pack for this game.

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Oath of Nissa could work pretty nicely to help with getting Tamiyo out on turn four if other mana fixing doesn't work out. Now all we need is Rhox War Monk.


Can't depend on something that you only have 2 of. Rule of thumb with Enchantments in general with this game atm.


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Rhox War Monk, Wooly Thoctar, Sprouting Thrinax, and all the other badass three color cards from 2015 would be an awesome bonus pack for this game.

Imagine sprouting thrinax in the games crats deck...

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