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Kryder
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Emrakul's Evangel + Ulvenwald Mysteries + Elemental Bond = :D


Golgari Crats ftw. That's the first deck im gonna try, depending on what we get of course!

When do we find out what duels will and will not get?


When they release the information :P

Seriously, Wizards_Chris said they would be releasing info next week on some of the cards that are making it into Duels. I would expect the full list of cards in Duels about 2-4 days ahead of the release.

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Emrakul got exiled? Oh man, didn't see that one coming :D

So what's Liliana's oath? Put zombie token(s) on the field and a pull from graveyard into hand or discard effect?


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Emrakul got exiled? Oh man, didn't see that one coming :D

So what's Liliana's oath? Put zombie token(s) on the field and a pull from graveyard into hand or discard effect?

I think most people are speculating it will discard on ETB and make Zombies when you play a Planeswalker.

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WrightJustice wrote:
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Emrakul got exiled? Oh man, didn't see that one coming :D

So what's Liliana's oath? Put zombie token(s) on the field and a pull from graveyard into hand or discard effect?

I think most people are speculating it will discard on ETB and make Zombies when you play a Planeswalker.


Yeah that makes the most sense. Both effects are relevant at turn 2, unlike the graveyard fetch.


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It should be something that helps the Origin's Liliana flip, like the other oaths do for their respective PWs. So it might have a component like "give a creature -2/-2 until end of turn"


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The clocks tend to be slow like mass Zombie producing spells, usual control wincons in those colors, combos etc. On top of that they're all as easily destroyed as aggro (board wiping the Zombie's for example). The colors aren't fast enough to afford not having an answer for PW's that resolve, and their lategame isn't strong enough to handle PW or Ramp decks with a few hard counterspells. Lacking a clear theme other than the fragile Zombie archetype also makes Dimir sad. Murder goes a long way to helping vs creature decks, but Walkers will still be unanswered I suspect when we missed out on To the Slaughter and Ruinous Path.

For someone who claims to like control, you really underestimate it.

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divinevert wrote:
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The clocks tend to be slow like mass Zombie producing spells, usual control wincons in those colors, combos etc. On top of that they're all as easily destroyed as aggro (board wiping the Zombie's for example). The colors aren't fast enough to afford not having an answer for PW's that resolve, and their lategame isn't strong enough to handle PW or Ramp decks with a few hard counterspells. Lacking a clear theme other than the fragile Zombie archetype also makes Dimir sad. Murder goes a long way to helping vs creature decks, but Walkers will still be unanswered I suspect when we missed out on To the Slaughter and Ruinous Path.

For someone who claims to like control, you really underestimate it.


Then please spoil me with the answers for Dimir (notice I didn't say ALL control, which you appear to be lumping in) to be all that good. More than a vague sentence will do :D

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Some tokens have been spoiled for those of you that care about the art side of things.

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Damn, if only it was an instant for that middle mode.

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Damn, if only it was an instant for that middle mode.


Those are pretty damn sexy overall...

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Damn, if only it was an instant for that middle mode.


NOW we're talking Black cards. My appetite is up!

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After the disappointment that was the other black Escalate card this makes me very happy. The escalate cost itself is also pretty interesting. Is Black a good colour in Delirium decks? I haven't played with that archetype enough to know but I'm guessing it is.

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EDIT: Slowpoke post is slow...

Love the new cards. Finally some targeted discard for Black. Are we getting somewhere here?

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Sac T-KS and play Mindbender for 3, profit.

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Hmm. Also while I am kinda sick of the colour getting all the good stuff the idea of a 2 CMC Common Werewolf manadork intrigues me.

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Sac T-KS and play Mindbender for 3, profit.


So turn 2 Whispers of Emarakul, turn 3 Collective Brutality if pressure is ok, turn 4 TKS, turn 5 Mindbender. Damn. That's brutal. Imagine if the random card was a land too haha!

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Holy hell yeah. Please let those cards be in duels.


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Damn, if only it was an instant for that middle mode.


WB control splashing Watse is looking more promising. :plot:

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Meh... The card you should play for that combo is deadbridge shaman, lol.


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Creature types are going wild this set, we have eldrazi fish, eldrazi towns and now an eldrazi insect!

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