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EDIT: Translation is likely off, as it might mean "sacrifice creature" instead of "sacrifice Graf Stapler", which would end up making this said above card but gimped.


The Russian text says "When Graft Stapler becomes unattached from a creature, sacrifice that creature"


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 5:39 am 
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EDIT: Translation is likely off, as it might mean "sacrifice creature" instead of "sacrifice Graf Stapler", which would end up making this said above card but gimped.


The Russian text says "When Graft Stapler becomes unattached from a creature, sacrifice that creature"


That makes more sense. Still not a great card for my interests, but at least it could be good for crats or something.

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Those gauntlets look awful.

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I have literally no idea what to think about this card. Help?


Combo with Tainted Remedy?


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Pretty sure it doesn't work that way, since they aren't "gaining X" life, it's a "life total becomes X" effect.

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Those gauntlets look awful.


Like pretty much every equipment card we have TBH.

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Pretty sure it doesn't work that way, since they aren't "gaining X" life, it's a "life total becomes X" effect.


I am sure it was meant as a way to prevent opponent from getting more life full stop after punishing with the tree.

Seems nice to pair with Dead Weight and Grasp of Darkness+ faceburn. Too bad we dont have ways to place -1/-1 counters.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:07 am 
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Hang on, would it work if it's damaged? Or would it trade for it's original toughness of 13?

Say I do this:

- Lightning Axe x 2 on your own Tree = 3 toughness left
- Cast a Fiery Temper with Madness at opp
- Tap Tree in response
- Should be lethal right?

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:14 am 
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Damage doesn't reduce toughness.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:16 am 
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Ok, scratch that then.

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Oh yes Sjokwaave...DO WANT!

This makes me a happy Bounce.


My initial thought was 'this is amazing' but I've gone off it a little bit after giving it some more thought. I'm not sure Izzet Prowess can make room for it, as it slows down the clock. I wouldn't run it in my control decks, because they're mainly creatureless apart from TitI and Avacyn. Flipped it's obviously powerful, especially for the mana investment, but I'm not sure where it's going to find its niche. The fact it dies to a stiff breeze doesn't help. Obviously you can hold it back but by the time you're ready to play it out to get it to flip I'm sure there would be better plays available to you.

Maybe I'd like it more if it produced :u:, I don't know.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 29, 2016 6:25 am 
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My initial thought was 'this is amazing' but I've gone off it a little bit after giving it some more thought. I'm not sure Izzet Prowess can make room for it, as it slows down the clock. I wouldn't run it in my control decks, because they're mainly creatureless apart from TitI and Avacyn. Flipped it's obviously powerful, especially for the mana investment, but I'm not sure where it's going to find its niche. The fact it dies to stiff breeze doesn't help. Obviously you can hold it back but by the time you're ready to play it out to get it to flip I'm sure there would be better plays available to you.

Maybe I'd like it more if it produced :u:, I don't know.


I like that it could produce colorless for control with upside. If I went the Azorius route, I'd be more comfortable including TKS, Smasher and Kozi without needing to rely on lands like Westvale Abbey (otherwise useless in a creature lite deck) or Thopter Foundry (gets sac'd, no more colorless mana). Probably still not top tier, but it would be an angle I'd consider going down it since Azorius is light on big wincons otherwise for control.

That's just one way I'd approach it. Some Prowess decks could still make use of this over some of it's other 2 drop creature choices, but I agree the super fast version with Jori En as the curve topper wouldn't bother. I might even revisit the Izzet Counterburn lists if we get this card too.

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It only makes mana for instants or sorceries right?

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It only produces mana for casting instants and sorceries.

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DEEEEEEEEEERP! :teach:

I'm not on it today. Ok, trash card, NEXT!

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It only makes mana for instants or sorceries right?


Yes. It's surprising how much it holds the card back: like Bounce said it would be great to support the likes of T-KS, but alas it is not to be. Maybe it could be used as additional ramp/win con for Geistblast decks?

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It only makes mana for instants or sorceries right?


Yes. It's surprising how much it holds the card back: like Bounce said it would be great to support the likes of T-KS, but alas it is not to be. Maybe it could be used as additional ramp/win con for Geistblast decks?



Thats...actually a pretty good idea. You could considerably lower you clock both damage wise and lowering your "X" cost by 1.

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Hang on, would it work if it's damaged? Or would it trade for it's original toughness of 13?

Say I do this:

- Lightning Axe x 2 on your own Tree = 3 toughness left
- Cast a Fiery Temper with Madness at opp
- Tap Tree in response
- Should be lethal right?


With Stainless on the job I think this would probably work even if it is not supposed to :)

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Oh yes Sjokwaave...DO WANT!

This makes me a happy Bounce.


My initial thought was 'this is amazing' but I've gone off it a little bit after giving it some more thought. I'm not sure Izzet Prowess can make room for it, as it slows down the clock. I wouldn't run it in my control decks, because they're mainly creatureless apart from TitI and Avacyn. Flipped it's obviously powerful, especially for the mana investment, but I'm not sure where it's going to find its niche. The fact it dies to a stiff breeze doesn't help. Obviously you can hold it back but by the time you're ready to play it out to get it to flip I'm sure there would be better plays available to you.

Maybe I'd like it more if it produced :u:, I don't know.


This looks interesting in my burness deck. It would definitely help the 2 spell per turn tempo with pyromancer's assault and cheaper burn is always welcome :)
If it comes out late, it just has to survive 1 turn then it flips and starts doing damage... Wish it was evasive... I've actually been looking for a good TITI replacement, because TITI is just working as a decoy in my build.

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Pretty sure it doesn't work that way, since they aren't "gaining X" life, it's a "life total becomes X" effect.


They aren't gaining X life, but they would be gaining the difference between their current total and X. So gaining Y life to reach X.

For example, first ruling under Tree of Redemption, or any other such card.


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