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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:03 pm 
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I don't always rage-quit, but when I do, I quit the game entirely.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:17 pm 
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How to keep around rank 40 with mediocre decks.

Step 1, queue up and start playing.
Step 2, stare in amazement when opponent concedes after missing a landdrop turn 3.
Step 3, $

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:22 pm 
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Hakeem928 wrote:
I don't always rage-quit, but when I do, I quit the game entirely.


After a few failed attempts and still coming back...

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 3:23 pm 
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Kryder wrote:

He's in trouble with Yogg Saron for not playing enough spells.


I am sure that would make sense if Hearthstone was worth playing. .

Singing a new tune now, though, eh Kryder? :P


Huh? Are you high?

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:02 pm 
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I'm with Haven on this, you have to earn your win. If you're playing a massive control deck with 1.2 win conditions, then you're going to have to eventually draw into them to beat me. if you're playing a combo deck that takes 4 minutes to pull off the manual clicks to beat me, then do it. I think some of these decks are designed because they encourage opponents to concede since they're so demoralizing to play against. I'm not going to concede, you gotta earn that win. plus disconnects happen all the time and maybe I get the free win. Play something faster if that happens to you a lot.

I'm not stalling the guy out or anything. I'm taking my turns as fast as I know how (read: not fast) but i'm not gonna concede just cuz things look grim.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:31 pm 
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If you're playing a massive control deck with 1.2 win conditions

ya, that is actually very annoying. that should be included in the slow play rule or something. It's like the wincon for some of these people is to just spam sweepers and kill spells till you draw the last card in your deck (and no, they're not playing mill).

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:43 pm 
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I'm not stalling the guy out or anything. I'm taking my turns as fast as I know how (read: not fast) but i'm not gonna concede just cuz things look grim.


Usually pretty easy to tell if someone is just a slow player vs someone stalling out of spite. I have no real issues with people who are just slow players and/or are learning the game. Might feel impatient if every turn is slow, but that's my problem.

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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 4:47 pm 
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The salt is real. I'm trying to take a Golgari Delirium deck from rank 0 to 40, and around 35 it gets really hard. Usually it's one step forward and two backwards. Tonight I had two rage quitters pause the game on me before disconnecting, putting the game into eternal hold from which I can't disconnect back myself. I'm forced to conceed and instead of rank 37 I'm rank 35 again. Both were long games were I finally got the upper hand. This wasn't possible before the update, then you could always disconnect back to the AI.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 7:37 pm 
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Wasting time for your opponents (as in, actively trolling them when they've already lost, rather than just not conceding) is childish. With that said, it is disappointing when I see people quit early, sometimes I stick around to finish a quest against the AI, and it topdecks into a comeback. Could have been a real game.

I've quit only once when the game wasn't 99% lost already and it was because a T4 Talent of the Telepath caught both Part the Waterveil and Crush of Tentacles. I wasn't going to put up with that crap.


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I flat out will not quit out of a match unless 2 things are true:

1) I have no answer in my entire deck to the current situation, and
2) my opponent will not win on his next turn in any case.


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PostPosted: Tue May 24, 2016 9:57 pm 
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I used to be a man of honor and refused to concede.

Over time, though, I realized that if you respect your opponent by giving him the "kill shot", he will disrespect you with BM.

Play to your outs and concede when there are none.

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 5:25 am 
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Just don't **** pause-conceed. Unless your opponent has pulled stupid **** on you like stutter-stepping the pause button and constantly timing out. In that case it can be deserved.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 7:03 am 
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N.I.B. wrote:
Just don't **** pause-conceed. Unless your opponent has pulled stupid **** on you like stutter-stepping the pause button and constantly timing out. In that case it can be deserved.


Two wrongs don't make a right. By doing that, you're probably encouraging them to do it even more often to more people.

Lotta people in this thread need to remember it's just a video game.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 12:59 pm 
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What are your views on conceding and rage-quitting? I've seen people quit games they could have and probably would have turned around...
Is it polite to quit and not make everyone lose their time? This is a game and losing can be a learning experience.


Not going to address rage quitting as, in the context of this particular game, conceding is something altogether different. Concession a practice that has it roots in paper Magic and other games (poker, chess) where players recognize they are in losing positions and act accordingly. Now if your claim about learning is limited to players who concede because they are in a difficult rather than losing position then there is merit to your position. However if your claim covers all concessions then you have a limited view of where and how learning takes place in the context of a Magic game. Maybe some individuals need to see their life total hit zero to learn but it is more likely that it is irrelevant to learning. A player recognizing s/he is already in a losing position and why they are their is more than a sufficient condition for learning. So if by losing you mean life total = 0 or being unable to draw due to not having any cards in your library you significantly over-estimate the value of losing.

Sports also demonstrate how conceding or at least not playing to the bitter end is part and parcel of most if not all games. Baseball: stars are traded when teams realize they cannot make the playoffs. Yeah yeah it is so they can rebuild for next year--and it just as likely that they are dumping payroll. Star players are pulled from games. Oh right, that is to prevent injury for the next game--yet you do not see them fighting to stay in the game. So much for playing until the bitter end. Players stop training and practicing as hard. But that is not the game. Sure it is, when less attention is devoted to practice, film study etc. it impacts performance. The idea that, in sports, teams and players play to the bitter end is belied by the facts that team management, coaches and players engage in any number of practices that indicate winning is not a priority. Simply because players do not walk off the field before the clock reads 0:00 does not mean they have not given up well before then.

When it comes to conceding it is not a question of politeness or impoliteness. In the context of games like Magic conceding and playing until the end honorable ways to end a match. Want to make me earn my win, no problem so long as you are not wasting time (unnecessarily pausing, letting clock run, etc.) no problem. Need your time to think through lines--take it. I think it is safe to say for the majority of the player base would agree with that. But beating someone who wants to stick it out is not more rewarding than accepting the concession of the player who recognizes they are in a losing position. As for those that miss an opportunity to learn because of quick concession, I simply move on to the next game. There are better things to worry about then trying to ensure someone else's learning experience in a game that has little consequence.


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 1:33 pm 
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You make a valid point.
What I mean by learning experience is that surviving a few more rounds even though you probably won't be able to turn things around can take skill and magic has a strong element of luck, so there can always be a possibility that things may just shift in your favor. If you concede, you will never know...
Also, you can learn from observing the way your opponent uses ingenuity in finishing you off. Who knows, you may learn some tricks you hadn't though of.
I usually know when I'm beaten, its just not a part of who I am to lie down and die, I prefer to go out swinging.

It actually happened today, playing against g/w aggro. My opponent was flooding the board with creatures but decided to play it safe and didn't go all in when he should've. When he finally did, I had to chump block and lost most of my guys. I was probably doomed, but I survived and stuck it out. Then I got lucky and I top-decked burn and managed to finish him off.
Conceding as far as I remember in paper magic made sense in tournaments were you have limited time and drawing out losing games could make it difficult to win the remaining games, especially if your playing a slow deck.
There's no time limite here, so sit back and play it out... You just never know...
Another example: I got stuck on 2 lands. I've seen players quit just because of that. Guess what? So did my opponent, he got even more mana screwed than me. He quit soon after, I played it out against the AI just to see his deck.
Even mana screw can be a learning experience. A good deck should be able to recover from a slight scarcity of land. If it doesn't, maybe you should rethink your mana curve or add more land, etc... Instead of just blaiming it bad luck. Do you get what I mean by learning experience?

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 8:27 pm 
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I think your obsession with beating your opponent into submission and deriding those who politely concede is rooted in some psychological issues you have with dominance/submission, power, and sex. Tell me about your mother.


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wow... That was super douchey. maybe you should turn your pop psychologist eye inwards and examine your obsession with the moral failings of other people...

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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 10:20 pm 
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...you actually took that post seriously? o_o


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PostPosted: Wed May 25, 2016 11:09 pm 
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Hakeem928 wrote:
I used to be a man of honor and refused to concede.

Over time, though, I realized that if you respect your opponent by giving him the "kill shot", he will disrespect you with BM.

Play to your outs and concede when there are none.


Pretty much this.. especially the part about the BM.. which is even more reason to quit, because 90% of players will BM you.

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I think your obsession with beating your opponent into submission and deriding those who politely concede is rooted in some psychological issues you have with dominance/submission, power, and sex. Tell me about your mother.


My Mother died in 2003 and I didn't get along well with her. I made peace with her a long time ago. Happy?
I'm not obsessed. I'll concede if I feel like it. I just don't most of the time.

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