The only clear scum indicator is your side comment about fear mongering including misrepresenting facts.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing that misrepresenting facts is not a part of fear mongering. What I'm going to point out that indicates your scum is your mention of this as a side comment despite me done no misrepresentation of any facts. It's almost as if you're trying to subtly direct people by making that comment.

That is a clear scum indicator.


Concerning lying: Can we all just agree Numbers sits on a throne of lies?

Except you've already admitted to trying to misrepresent my playstyle in your original argument. So now you're just blatantly lying. In order to win. As I already said, scum lie to win. Thus you're scum.

Does your argument imply that winning is not fun? If not, then I think your slipping cause I thought you were a competitive player.

I've admitted to using a faulty argument; however, that does not translate into misrepresentation of your playstyle. If anything, me being up front about my faulty argument is a clear indication that I'm not misrepresenting or lying in order to convince people to lynch you. I don't have to lower myself to such desperate tactics to see you and your scum team lynched. Clearly your eagerness to attribute lies and misrepresentations to me tells me you're willing to do anything to convince others to your side of this argument. An argument you will neither win nor walk away from.

@Fred:

You can see the scumminess of Numbers, right? It's plain as day.

...I'm leaving KoD and 15377 (or 15378 or 90210) debate to develope. Not getting any strong scum vibes from either side.

Now I'm watching Io and Fable... Some sort of train wreck is about to happen.

Role leak, role hunter baiting? Ugh, I'm getting something bad here.

@Shock:

I like your initiative.

I'd say this is fishing if not for the fact that I don't think character names are likely to be very important in the grand scheme of things.

I think we are only waiting for Zinger at this point.

Confirmed. Cuz the party don't start till I walk in.

Also, I'll be using my No Lie Policy this game

I'll be using my All Lie Policy this game.

He said his no lie policy is in effect after his party statement.

Obviously you're lying about when the party starts. We can just look at the thread to indicate this.

You're lucky I'm going after Numbers.

I thought you had to mention the NLP first Zinger for it to count. Or is that only in the first post not necessarily the first statement?

It does, because that's exactly why your argument was faulty. You tried to assert my playstyle lended credibility to the likelihood that I was scum. Given that we both have agreed that your conclusion wasn't naturally drawn, the only way you could have drawn your conclusion was to manipulate the representation of my playstyle in order to obtain your desired result. Thus not only were you misrepresenting, but deliberately doing so.

Incorrect. Your point on your play style variation being no different only served to show me I was incorrect to use the argument in hindsight. Not as a result of intentionality, but as a result of trying to link your scummy behavior (which I've determined) to what I had previously said about you in the Setup thread where I had already indicated your intent.

Had I neglected the point regarding your playstyle and continued with the point, then I'd be guilty of misrepresenting you. Deliberately no less. As it stands your focus on trying to paint me as misrepresenting you is lacking.

*grabs popcorn*

Anyone want any?

No, had you neglected the point you would simply have been guilty of tunneling in addition to your original sins. Getting caught, admitting you were caught, and changing tactics doesn't negate the original guilt. It's not dependent on you ignoring the fact you were caught. The facts remain the facts. Your change of story doesn't change the facts.

Except you're misrepresenting the facts of this story to better suit yourself. I was not "caught" so much so as admitting to a fault in my argument. Truth is you can carry your intent over from the Setup thread as scum or town. My recognition of that isn't a change of my story. It's an outright denial of a logical fallacy.

The fact of the issue is that I was both right and wrong to use your play style as justification. By your word you'd act no different as scum or town. If there is any misrepresentation at all in my words (or lack thereof), then it hinges on Mr not fully addressing all possible scenarios concerning your actions.

Problem is I know you are scum, so for me to address a scenario where you are town is strictly counterintuitive; however, despite how nonsensical it would be for me to entertain you as town, that doesn't mean I need to resort to lying or intentional misrepresentation of facts to drive your lynch.

That being said, I'm beginning to see your strategy here. You're keeping me on the defensive to avoid having to fully address your own scummyness.

I'll keep that in there so as not to clog up the thread. Feel free to read through for **** and giggles. But on to more important things though.

I am youkai. I am Koishi Komeji. I have decided that the most productive use of my role is full open from the start, as keeping it concealed could result in unfortunate use of town roles. I cannot be targeted at night unless I allow you to target me. Each day I live, I will select half the game to be able to target me in the night. In the event I die in the subsequent night, I will have eliminated half of the suspect pool (from having killed me mind you, not cleared them all as town). Additionally town roles will know what nights they won't be wasting their time by targeting me. Today's crop is currently running as io, tiny, Fred, lunchbox, Fable (cuz he said "I is here"), and KoD. Alternate selected as story in case one of the list gets lynched. I will run this format multiple times a day as my reads evolve, but will have a standing list ASAP in case of majority early end to any day.